Trayvon Martin

[Frank the Yank]

Racism is not exclusive to white people.

No, but it's you that keeps mentioning white people isn't it?
Divide between blacks and whites, what if it was a white boy killed by a black man? Completely fucking irellevant. There were no white people involved mate.

I think you misunderstand the point. In the 'justice' system in the States, it has been duly noted that Black people have less standing and are more likely to be found guilty in a court of law. Those are the current truths of the matter and there are stats to back it up(I just can't ars*d to find them).

So, imagine this DEAD Black kid being judged, lawfully or unlawfully killed, when he has no chance to defend or perjure himself.

You have to ask; is that right??

This is more a product of money rather than race. If you are rich and cann afford kick ass attorneys, then your chances in our "justice" system go WAAAAAAY up.

Blacks get acquitted everyday in American courts and I am certain all those defendants are not innocent.....

 

[pominoz]

No, but it's you that keeps mentioning white people isn't it?
Divide between blacks and whites, what if it was a white boy killed by a black man? Completely fucking irellevant. There were no white people involved mate.

I think you misunderstand the point. In the 'justice' system in the States, it has been duly noted that Black people have less standing and are more likely to be found guilty in a court of law. Those are the current truths of the matter and there are stats to back it up(I just can't ars*d to find them).

So, imagine this DEAD Black kid being judged, lawfully or unlawfully killed, when he has no chance to defend or perjure himself.

You have to ask; is that right??

This is more a product of money rather than race. If you are rich and cann afford kick ass attorneys, then your chances in our "justice" system go WAAAAAAY up.

Blacks get acquitted everyday in American courts and I am certain all those defendants are not innocent.....

Hold on! you were shouting that if the jury find Zimmerman innocent, that should be the end of it, but that does not apply to blacks who are acquitted?
You can not have it both ways, or do only wealthy blacks get acquitted?

 

[didactic]

No, but it's you that keeps mentioning white people isn't it?
Divide between blacks and whites, what if it was a white boy killed by a black man? Completely fucking irellevant. There were no white people involved mate.

I think you misunderstand the point. In the 'justice' system in the States, it has been duly noted that Black people have less standing and are more likely to be found guilty in a court of law. Those are the current truths of the matter and there are stats to back it up(I just can't ars*d to find them).

So, imagine this DEAD Black kid being judged, lawfully or unlawfully killed, when he has no chance to defend or perjure himself.

You have to ask; is that right??

This is more a product of money rather than race. If you are rich and cann afford kick ass attorneys, then your chances in our "justice" system go WAAAAAAY up.

Blacks get acquitted everyday in American courts and I am certain all those defendants are not innocent.....

So you are certain that the black people who get acquitted are not innocent but the non black ones like Zimmerman are not guilty. I love your logic how can one ever argue or debate against that?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

O J Simpson anyone?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

O J Simpson anyone?

How can he be guilty the glove didn't fit

 

[Bigga]

O J Simpson anyone?

The only problem I have with this point is that it came down to money. Simpson was able to plugging away to get that 'reasonable doubt' verdict cos he could afford to. That underlines Frank's point BUT also highlights mine.

IF you are Black and can't afford the necessary funds, you are almost likely to be screwed by your 'peers'(I never know what that means, cos it seems like the 'peers' within the jury reflect a(sometimes mostly white) middle class. Hardly fair if they cannot relate to your poorer circumstances.

But then, their White counterpart fairs better in this regard.

I dunno, does it seem fair??

I am sure Frank the Yank can dismantle this point in relation to the Zimmerman trial?

 

[Frank the Yank]

I think you misunderstand the point. In the 'justice' system in the States, it has been duly noted that Black people have less standing and are more likely to be found guilty in a court of law. Those are the current truths of the matter and there are stats to back it up(I just can't ars*d to find them).

So, imagine this DEAD Black kid being judged, lawfully or unlawfully killed, when he has no chance to defend or perjure himself.

You have to ask; is that right??

This is more a product of money rather than race. If you are rich and cann afford kick ass attorneys, then your chances in our "justice" system go WAAAAAAY up.

Blacks get acquitted everyday in American courts and I am certain all those defendants are not innocent.....

Hold on! you were shouting that if the jury find Zimmerman innocent, that should be the end of it, but that does not apply to blacks who are acquitted?
You can not have it both ways, or do only wealthy blacks get acquitted?

I never said that. All I said was it was for the jury to DECIDE the facts of the case. If you are wealthy, you have a better chance at fighting the charges. Doesnt matter if what race you are THAT was my point.<br /><br />-- Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:31 pm --<br /><br />

I think you misunderstand the point. In the 'justice' system in the States, it has been duly noted that Black people have less standing and are more likely to be found guilty in a court of law. Those are the current truths of the matter and there are stats to back it up(I just can't ars*d to find them).

So, imagine this DEAD Black kid being judged, lawfully or unlawfully killed, when he has no chance to defend or perjure himself.

You have to ask; is that right??

This is more a product of money rather than race. If you are rich and cann afford kick ass attorneys, then your chances in our "justice" system go WAAAAAAY up.

Blacks get acquitted everyday in American courts and I am certain all those defendants are not innocent.....

So you are certain that the black people who get acquitted are not innocent but the non black ones like Zimmerman are not guilty. I love your logic how can one ever argue or debate against that?

The part I left out was the whites get acquitted everyday in courts but they are not all inocent as well. Same for Hispanics, same for Chinese etc........

 

[Frank the Yank]

O J Simpson anyone?

The only problem I have with this point is that it came down to money. Simpson was able to plugging away to get that 'reasonable doubt' verdict cos he could afford to. That underlines Frank's point BUT also highlights mine.

IF you are Black and can't afford the necessary funds, you are almost likely to be screwed by your 'peers'(I never know what that means, cos it seems like the 'peers' within the jury reflect a(sometimes mostly white) middle class. Hardly fair if they cannot relate to your poorer circumstances.

But then, their White counterpart fairs better in this regard.

I dunno, does it seem fair??

I am sure Frank the Yank can dismantle this point in relation to the Zimmerman trial?

Thats not really true, Bigga. New York City DAs HATE to try any criminal cases in the Bronx. Why? They have a tough time getting convictions thats why. Bronx juries are notorious for having some wacky verdicts. The one that stands out was one about 25-30 years ago with a guy named Larry Davis. That case was nuts. he shot 4 cops thru a door (I think they were trying to arrest him) and he was acquitted by a Bronx jury.

Simpson's case was deffo helped by the fact he had a lot of money for his defense. Lets be honest though that case was lost by Gil Carcetti when he changed the venue from Brentwood to downtown LA. Why did he do it?? They were so cocksure of their case he thought it didnt matter where they tried him. Well, it did. HE lived in the Brentwood area and the murder was comitted in the Brentwood area so the genius moves it to downtown LA......

 

[ElanJo]

The jury have asked for clarification concerning Manslaughter so it sounds as if he has been acquitted of 2nd degree murder.

 

[johnny on the spot]

If you like civil unrest, here comes a beauty.

 

[johnmc]

If you like civil unrest, here comes a beauty.

Need a new tv?

 

[ElanJo]

Manslaughter is a max 30 years, min 10 years (and this Judge is known to be strict/harsh) so that'd probably placate any potential trouble, if the Jury finds him guilty

I can't see them finding him guilty of manslaughter tho since the prosecution had the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not act in self defense, and they clearly did not succeed. In fact they largely concentrated on trying to approve 'ill-will, spite or hatred' throughout, which, by the sounds of things, the Jury has already thrown out..

 

[rick773]

Oh look the south is about to embarrass the rest of the country again.

 

[Frank the Yank]

If you like civil unrest, here comes a beauty.

Why because people dont like a decision it gives them carte blanche to commit mayhem??? Could be YOUR racism coming out perhaps??

-- Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:58 pm --

If you like civil unrest, here comes a beauty.

Need a new tv?

I think thats utterly racist. I really do......<br /><br />-- Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:59 pm --<br /><br />

The jury have asked for clarification concerning Manslaughter so it sounds as if he has been acquitted of 2nd degree murder.

It was NEVER a 2nd degree muder case.........

 

[Frank the Yank]

Manslaughter is a max 30 years, min 10 years (and this Judge is known to be strict/harsh) so that'd probably placate any potential trouble, if the Jury finds him guilty

I can't see them finding him guilty of manslaughter tho since the prosecution had the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not act in self defense, and they clearly did not succeed. In fact they largely concentrated on trying to approve 'ill-will, spite or hatred' throughout, which, by the sounds of things, the Jury has already thrown out..

I dont understand how a manslaughter conviction can bring just as much if not more than a murder conviction.

I am positive the vast majority or people getting convicted for murder get less than 30 years. Also with our revolving door justice system, there is very little "truth in sentencing". One might get a 15 year sentence but you are probably out on about 8-10 years...............................

If this case were a black on balck shooting (of which there have been scores the last month!!), not only would we have not neard about it but any guilty perps would not be getting 30 years-for the most part. What I mean by that is a perp with no history or record......

 

[rick773]

If you like civil unrest, here comes a beauty.

Why because people dont like a decision it gives them carte blanche to commit mayhem???

..

In this instance definitely. How many of these have happened the past few years ?the justice system in America is so fucked maybe a '92 riots revisit may draw some attention to it .

 

[Frank the Yank]

BTW many talking heads talk about a "compromise" verdict. Now the jury is not supposed to take into the sentencing part and they arent supposed to reach a verdict because of a compromise. Does it happen all the time in cases?? It cetainly does.

Leaving the country on Monday so I might not even be here when the jury comes in......

 

[ElanJo]

If you like civil unrest, here comes a beauty.

Why because people dont like a decision it gives them carte blanche to commit mayhem???

..

In this instance definitely. How many of these have happened the past few years ?the justice system in America is so fucked maybe a '92 riots revisit may draw some attention to it .

So innocent people should suffer - even die - because a group of people don't like a verdict?

Also, I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume that you haven't watched the trial.

 

[rick773]

Why because people dont like a decision it gives them carte blanche to commit mayhem???

..

In this instance definitely. How many of these have happened the past few years ?the justice system in America is so fucked maybe a '92 riots revisit may draw some attention to it .

So innocent people should suffer - even die - because a group of people don't like a verdict?

Also, I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume that you haven't watched the trial.

What part of the trial I miss that showed Zimmerman didn't do anything but murder that kid?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you have no idea just how absurd America's criminal justice system is.

And I'm not going to say yes to that I hope innocent people suffer for anything that's stupid, however what is going to change it?

 

[ElanJo]

In this instance definitely. How many of these have happened the past few years ?the justice system in America is so fucked maybe a '92 riots revisit may draw some attention to it .

So innocent people should suffer - even die - because a group of people don't like a verdict?

Also, I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume that you haven't watched the trial.

What part of the trial I miss that showed Zimmerman didn't do anything but murder that kid?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you have no idea just how absurd America's criminal justice system is.

And I'm not going to say yes to that I hope innocent people suffer for anything that's stupid, however what is going to change it?

Not only did you not watch the trial but you also don't understand the most basic principle of all justice systems - that being the presumption of innocence.

Just because there have been, and continue to be, problems with the justice system it does not mean that this trial has suffered the same problems. A trial should be judged on its own merits. If you want to talk about the trial and make such stupid comments about riots based on it then at least have some understanding of it