UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

blueparrot said:
There are no flying saucers, astronomers have been searching for signs of advanced intelligent life all over space for 50 years just a basic radio signal even,nothing, to think all they had to do was look at you tube for craft wizzing around the earth.is more than just ridiculous. There is nothing to disclose whatever your or anyones imagination may conjure up.
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The way you say flying saucers is enough for me to not listen to you.
 
Wouldn’t it be great if it turned out that the gods were just visitors from other planets, trying to point humans in the right direction? Maybe one or two got carried away and created the shit show of current times, but I can imagine Hern the Hunter teaching “look, if you kill all the deer, there’ll be no deer. Then you die” - He was just trying to be helpful maybe?
 
Uwe Already said:
Wouldn’t it be great if it turned out that the gods were just visitors from other planets, trying to point humans in the right direction? Maybe one or two got carried away and created the shit show of current times, but I can imagine Hern the Hunter teaching “look, if you kill all the deer, there’ll be no deer. Then you die” - He was just trying to be helpful maybe?
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Stargate has already covered it.

Egyptian gods were Goa'uld

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Here's Apophis.

Norse gods were Asgardians

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Meet Thor.
 
I was watching a programme on TV the other night, about the realities of travelling through space close to the speed of light.

It described in detail how time doesn't change, but warps according to your perspective.

Anyway, the conclusion was you can travel through space near the speed of light, and reach stars gazillions of miles away in no time at all when you are in the space ship, but in Earth time, it will have taken tens or even hundreds of thousands of years to get there.

Interstellar space travel is, it would seem, theoretically possible, in that you don't age in terms of Earth years while you are careering through the cosmos at stupendous speed, but hitting a grain of sand at that speed would be terminal.

It was interesting when they were saying nothing would be visible out of the back window, but looking out of the front window, all you would see was a pinpoint of extremely bright light as the concentration of stars merged, like raindrops falling straight down when you are stationary, but hitting you face on when you are in your car travelling along the road.

I don't have the brain power to fully understand relativity, so a simple explanation for a simpleton like me sort of worked, but there were still elements being described I couldn't get my head to understand.
 
blueparrot said:
The main one being there is no evidence. Most sky / watching is done by amateurs not governments. Many discoveries are made by amateurs and enthusiasts.You can book time on some of the biggest most powerful telescopes on earth. There is no evidence. Somebody has to be the most advanced life form in the universe. As unlikely as it may seem it is possible it’s us, will we ever be able to travel to other star systems or another galaxy even , yes it is more than possible we never will.
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blueparrot said:
There are no flying saucers, astronomers have been searching for signs of advanced intelligent life all over space for 50 years just a basic radio signal even,nothing, to think all they had to do was look at you tube for craft wizzing around the earth.is more than just ridiculous. There is nothing to disclose whatever your or anyones imagination may conjure up.
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50 years, oh wow.

100ish years ago there was no evidence of oil below the surface, and now it is such a big part of our lives. 200ish years ago there was no evidence of dinosaurs, 500 years ago there was no evidence of life beyond the landmass of euroasia. Or that the earth was round, or revolved around the sun. There was no evidence of past civilisations, till there was. And so on and on. 50 years is nothing.

Or however long really, is not enough to to dismiss theoretical possibilities of life elsewhere in a univerese as vast and as effectively timeless as this.

The discussion of whether there actually has been evidence and is being concealed is another matter, and should be much easier to determine really. But a 'well if it might exist why haven't we found it in 50 years', is as pointless a take as they get, when discussing evolved life beyond this planet.
 
Coatigan said:
50 years, oh wow.

100ish years ago there was no evidence of oil below the surface, and now it is such a big part of our lives. 200ish years ago there was no evidence of dinosaurs, 500 years ago there was no evidence of life beyond the landmass of euroasia. Or that the earth was round, or revolved around the sun. There was no evidence of past civilisations, till there was. And so on and on. 50 years is nothing.

Or however long really, is not enough to to dismiss theoretical possibilities of life elsewhere in a univerese as vast and as effectively timeless as this.

The discussion of whether there actually has been evidence and is being concealed is another matter, and should be much easier to determine really. But a 'well if it might exist why haven't we found it in 50 years', is as pointless a take as they get, when discussing evolved life beyond this planet.
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Yes but I never dismissed any possibilty of life across the universe, I dismissesd any possibilty that we have evidence of life somewhere in the universe, evidence we have been searching for. Is there likely life across the universe,yes, is there likely to be intelligent life again yes. Is it possible there isn't or never has been life more intelligent than us,that's also possible. The only thing we can say is the universe is so big, so many galaxies and stars, surely there must be, we can't comprehend there not being.
My argument is with those saying they believe there is loads of evidence we are constantly being visited and it's all being concealed by government and just needs uncovering, yet none of the hundreds of thousands of astronomers amateurs even UFO hunters have any of this evidence,only governments of all kinds.
 
Blue Boy 63 said:
Personally i wouldn`t be surprised either way whether they existed or not . The thing that gets me is the fact their safety record leaves a lot to be desired for craft so advanced that they could travel vast distances across space .
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It always seems to be the tiny ones that crash and always in the desert, never in someone's back garden. The huge ones, described as the size of a football field, such as the Ohio 1984 or Belgium 1989, they never seem to crash.

Blue Boy 63 said:
The thing that gets me is the fact their safety record leaves a lot to be desired for craft so advanced that they could travel vast distances across space.
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Maybe after travelling so far across the galaxy, they fell asleep at the control console.
 
blueparrot said:
Yes but I never dismissed any possibilty of life across the universe, I dismissesd any possibilty that we have evidence of life somewhere in the universe, evidence we have been searching for. Is there likely life across the universe,yes, is there likely to be intelligent life again yes. Is it possible there isn't or never has been life more intelligent than us,that's also possible. The only thing we can say is the universe is so big, so many galaxies and stars, surely there must be, we can't comprehend there not being.
My argument is with those saying they believe there is loads of evidence we are constantly being visited and it's all being concealed by government and just needs uncovering, yet none of the hundreds of thousands of astronomers amateurs even UFO hunters have any of this evidence,only governments of all kinds.
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My bad, misplaced context.

I don't particularly believe it, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of the planet having in its lifetime been visited, in the past or future, if we ever come round to discovering that. I don't believe there is some overarching drive to conceal known evidence of it from the public, but I am somewhat open if that does meaningfully prove to be the case. How seriously reported sightings and seemingly unexplained claimed events are being investigated or handled, probably leaves a lot more room for imagination and hence I guess all these discussions.
 
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I dont see any way that there is any chance of alien life being in contact with us, while I believe there is life out there it needs to be at a certain level and time.

As an example just look at us here on earth, there has been life on earth for thousands of years and yet the only species who even have the concept of something other than this blue dot are us humans. We have only had the capability of space travel for less than 75 years. The reality in my humble opinion is that we are much more likely to put ourselves out of existance in the next 50 years than we are to develop the capability to span the distances required in space.

Likewise, lets assume that we find life of a plant just like earth, we are assuming there would be the equivilent of humans living there, it could be an earth like planet full of thousands of different species but nothing on the scale of a human being.

Lets then assume that this is what we find, what do we then do?
Human history tells us that wherever we go and are more powerful than the incumbants we destroy and pillage whatever we find. Why would any species advanced enough to seek us out feel any different?

The sad fact is we may well be the most advanced species in the known universe, which is amazing if you have walked around Piccadilly gardens on a Saturday afternoon.
 
blueparrot said:
You can’t know for sure either way.All you can know is we have no evidence of any other intelligent life in our solar system, in our galaxy or in our universe. Nothing, people can theorise all they like but as it stands that’s all it is theories some of them bonkers,there is’t any evidence. Whether you decide to believe that or not is down to yourself. How could the US show no evidence? Why is is it always the US government?
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For the first part you're 100% correct. But it's highly likely given the probabilities involved.

Regards it always being the US, it could be because they put a lot of money and effort into it. It could be that other countries treat anyone who comes forward with sightings as loons. Could be any reason. Could be bullshit too :D

So many variables.
 
abu13 said:
I dont see any way that there is any chance of alien life being in contact with us, while I believe there is life out there it needs to be at a certain level and time.

As an example just look at us here on earth, there has been life on earth for thousands of years and yet the only species who even have the concept of something other than this blue dot are us humans. We have only had the capability of space travel for less than 75 years. The reality in my humble opinion is that we are much more likely to put ourselves out of existance in the next 50 years than we are to develop the capability to span the distances required in space.

Likewise, lets assume that we find life of a plant just like earth, we are assuming there would be the equivilent of humans living there, it could be an earth like planet full of thousands of different species but nothing on the scale of a human being.

Lets then assume that this is what we find, what do we then do?
Human history tells us that wherever we go and are more powerful than the incumbants we destroy and pillage whatever we find. Why would any species advanced enough to seek us out feel any different?

The sad fact is we may well be the most advanced species in the known universe, which is amazing if you have walked around Piccadilly gardens on a Saturday afternoon.
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Agree with this, intelligent life forms that can travel between solar systems let alonse galaxies would have to match up in time,and as you say we've only been capable for 75 years out of 4.5 billion years.
Putting my sceptecism aside for a minute, I'd expect the first we would ever know of other intelligent life out there would be some sort of Voyager style probe wandering around our part of the Milky Way, obviously a far more advanced version.
I saw somewhre recently possibly Brian Cox Solar system, it will take 30,000 years for Voyager to get to the outer edge of our solar system,will we be here to know what it sends back then, who knows.
 
blueparrot said:
I saw somewhre recently possibly Brian Cox Solar system, it will take 30,000 years for Voyager to get to the outer edge of our solar system,will we be here to know what it sends back then, who knows.
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If we are still here in that amount of time we will be able to intercept the Voyagers before they got a serious distance away from us, just scoop 'em up :)
 
blueparrot said:
I saw somewhre recently possibly Brian Cox Solar system, it will take 30,000 years for Voyager to get to the outer edge of our solar system,will we be here to know what it sends back then, who knows.
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The two voyagers are already in interstellar space. Maybe that was how long it would take them to get to the nearest star? It's 4 light years away, so that may make sense.
 
abu13 said:
I dont see any way that there is any chance of alien life being in contact with us, while I believe there is life out there it needs to be at a certain level and time.

As an example just look at us here on earth, there has been life on earth for thousands of years and yet the only species who even have the concept of something other than this blue dot are us humans. We have only had the capability of space travel for less than 75 years. The reality in my humble opinion is that we are much more likely to put ourselves out of existance in the next 50 years than we are to develop the capability to span the distances required in space.

Likewise, lets assume that we find life of a plant just like earth, we are assuming there would be the equivilent of humans living there, it could be an earth like planet full of thousands of different species but nothing on the scale of a human being.

Lets then assume that this is what we find, what do we then do?
Human history tells us that wherever we go and are more powerful than the incumbants we destroy and pillage whatever we find. Why would any species advanced enough to seek us out feel any different?

The sad fact is we may well be the most advanced species in the known universe, which is amazing if you have walked around Piccadilly gardens on a Saturday afternoon.
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That's pretty much the other side of the debate as well though. Scale and proportion.

The thousands of years you mention are what, 0.00008 of the time of the universe so far. It is such a minute amount, in context and it is easy to believe that with so much time available there would have been other instances for life to develop. And maybe be destroyed, and develop again, and again.

That's just time, that's before you even consider the scale and vastness of the universe itself, and that it could be happening in so many places.

That of course in turn makes it harder to believe finding each other is likely to coincide. But that doesn't in any way make us 'the most advanced species in the universe' just means we don't/can't know ant better.
 
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