UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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Exactly. UEFA has created a set of measures based on legal provisions and accounting regulations common in the corporate world, yet bleat when clubs employ measures common in the corporate world to operate their business to its best effect in the context of the regulations. As a regulator, if UEFA didn't want that, they should accept that they didn't draft the FFP rules properly and, if necessary, amend them for the future. @Pablo ZZZ Peroni helpfully points out one such amendment above.

Of course, the press coverage surrounding this issue has been pathetic, with no recognition of the fact that the leaked material could reveal wrongdoing on City's part but, equally, is entirely consistent with an interpretation that City were looking for lawful regulatory workarounds in a way that countless legitimate, reputable businesses do across the globe every single day. There also seems to be a simplistic belief in the press that, because a course of action was discussed in correspondence, it must inevitably have been carried through. That's not the case, I assure you.

As I recall, back in the initial assessment period, we were scrabbling around looking for any measures we could find to avoid punishment by meeting the strict financial target that would have allowed us to disregard expenses on player wages paid under contracts entered into before 2010. But that period is covered by the settlement agreement and the Der Spiegel revelations don't seem to contain any "revelations" that post-date the settlement. Presumably, if there had been anything post-2014, we'd have been charged with that because it would be easier to make stick given the presence of the agreement covering the earlier period.

So instead, they've had to look for something of which they were unaware pre-2014 and which they therefore didn't take into account when concluding the settlement agreement. What they found is a suggestion that ADUG might have been paying the Etihad sponsorship, thus funnelling shareholder funding into the club and misrepresenting the source of the funds. But, as @Kinkys Left Foot discussed yesterday in another thread, unless there's further evidence that's not in the public domain, the basis for imposing a ban on us that will cost us GBP 80 million (if it's one season) seems extraordinarily flimsy.

I think the bold paragraph is the most overlooked issue, and City's early response was about context.
Man suggests plan in email.
Lawyer shoots down plan.
Man comes up with other plan.

Which would you leak for effect?

The image rights thing was the Longbow thing, wasn't it? Where it's alleged that Abu Dhabi sources funded the start-up to buy the rights. Probably not against the rules as written, almost certainly against the spirit of them, but difficult to press home on.

Regarding the underlined part, this seems again to be likely given the need to hit that deadline to move it from IC to AC. If it was after 2014, the date wouldn't be so urgent.
 
Exactly. UEFA has created a set of measures based on legal provisions and accounting regulations common in the corporate world, yet bleat when clubs employ measures common in the corporate world to operate their business to its best effect in the context of the regulations. As a regulator, if UEFA didn't want that, they should accept that they didn't draft the FFP rules properly and, if necessary, amend them for the future. @Pablo ZZZ Peroni helpfully points out one such amendment above.

Of course, the press coverage surrounding this issue has been pathetic, with no recognition of the fact that the leaked material could reveal wrongdoing on City's part but, equally, is entirely consistent with an interpretation that City were looking for lawful regulatory workarounds in a way that countless legitimate, reputable businesses do across the globe every single day. There also seems to be a simplistic belief in the press that, because a course of action was discussed in correspondence, it must inevitably have been carried through. That's not the case, I assure you.

As I recall, back in the initial assessment period, we were scrabbling around looking for any measures we could find to avoid punishment by meeting the strict financial target that would have allowed us to disregard expenses on player wages paid under contracts entered into before 2010. But that period is covered by the settlement agreement and the Der Spiegel revelations don't seem to contain any "revelations" that post-date the settlement. Presumably, if there had been anything post-2014, we'd have been charged with that because it would be easier to make stick given the presence of the agreement covering the earlier period.

So instead, they've had to look for something of which they were unaware pre-2014 and which they therefore didn't take into account when concluding the settlement agreement. What they found is a suggestion that ADUG might have been paying the Etihad sponsorship, thus funnelling shareholder funding into the club and misrepresenting the source of the funds. But, as @Kinkys Left Foot discussed yesterday in another thread, unless there's further evidence that's not in the public domain, the basis for imposing a ban on us that will cost us GBP 80 million (if it's one season) seems extraordinarily flimsy.

Well summarised as usual Peter. Just on the bolded bit though, wasn't there a suggestion from DS about the Etihad deal in 2015, where it was claimed that Etihad only funded £8 million of the £67 million, with the rest coming from another source, ie: our owner? What has happened to this claim in respect of the UEFA investigation? Are we to assume that UEFA have ceased pursuing this because of Etihad's statement that there was nothing underhanded about it and possibly also because City have provided evidence that the money never came from Mansour's pocket as suggested by DS?
 
Well summarised as usual Peter. Just on the bolded bit though, wasn't there a suggestion from DS about the Etihad deal in 2015, where it was claimed that Etihad only funded £8 million of the £67 million, with the rest coming from another source, ie: our owner? What has happened to this claim in respect of the UEFA investigation? Are we to assume that UEFA have ceased pursuing this because of Etihad's statement that there was nothing underhanded about it and possibly also because City have provided evidence that the money never came from Mansour's pocket as suggested by DS?

In short, I don't know. The press reports suggest that we're supposed to have misled them over the true source of the Etihad sponsorship. However, as @MillionMilesAway says above, if it's true that the IC needed to refer on the date they did to fall within a five-year time limit, then the accusation can't relate to 2015. If it related to 2015, the IC could have taken their time. And if there was a chance for them to pin something on us for a post-settlement period, that would have seemed a more logical route for them to take.
 
I think the bold paragraph is the most overlooked issue, and City's early response was about context.
Man suggests plan in email.
Lawyer shoots down plan.
Man comes up with other plan.

Which would you leak for effect?
Yes, I agree most strongly. What seems like a lifetime ago, I posted that the emails are evidence of a discussion, not evidence of the action taken. Still believe this would be major talking point in any 'prosecution'
 
So UEFA have until Tuesday to try to ban us for 2019/20 champions league season. Obviously we’d appeal any ban so it would make sense that any decision of the adjudicatory chamber isn’t before the first round Champions league draw next week.
 
Classic clickbait move by The Sun there. The operative word in their headline is "could", but the emphasis is placed on "Champions League ban" for maximum dramatic effect.
 
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