UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[mayo31]

The comments about Leterme are very strong. There would be a legal debate about whether they are libellous or not. What our statement shows is that our legal team must have some very strong evidence about what has happened on the investigating committee. They must know who has been leaking information from the investigation to the media.

Maybe we instigated the leaks, we have a mole inside the camp, we want this to happen

 

[Father Paul]

Not quite - the organisation cannot define the only route of legal action against itself. What it says is that it can only be appealed to CAS within the parameters of accepting that it has been fair and competent in its dealings and that the objection is just with the decision. If contending that this is not the case, then that's very different.

Not likely to be the end of the line but it is very likely that any judicial body who may be appealed to would not easily overturn any decision made by CAS if it was clear and obvious that all of the facts and evidence had been fairly and impartially examined. It could of course open up an avenue of attack on the entire legal basis of FFP in its current format which transcends the particular charge that City face and seem likely to be severely punished for.

 

[mayo31]

Bastards, they never think of the fans. :-)

Customers not fans ;)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

UEFA aren't even good at covering their tracks, the timeline of the announcement correlates with the NYT article, so the establishment of a leak from the process is now firmly rubber stamped.

We are going to have to be patient as a supporter base, the process will go well beyond CAS and eventually to personal lawsuits. Our good name be cleared completely.

The club could not have provided any clearer evidence of no wrongdoing. We know the fix is in, both chambers.

What I can say, this is about as personal as it gets and City will now be in good hands for the next 100 YEARS.

Wait to hear from Khaldoon next week, that's what I'll say.

When this is over, the pain will have been well worth it.

 

[lancs blue]

Would we have to fight it there ?

As UEFA are a Swiss-based organisation that would be the logical place to start if City believe there's a case for civil action. If City are as confident of their position as the statement suggests it's very likely that CAS will overturn UEFA's verdict anyway.

 

[Blue Llama]

Maybe he will sue the club then

I think that there is every chance that the City statement is intended to (a) have all concerned consider that option and then (b) decide that they would be stupid to open the can of worms themselves. In another vernacular City are saying "Do you feel lucky punk"

 

[Henkeman]

Not likely to be the end of the line but it is very likely that any judicial body who may be appealed to would not easily overturn any decision made by CAS if it was clear and obvious that all of the facts and evidence had been fairly and impartially examined. It could of course open up an avenue of attack on the entire legal basis of FFP in its current format which transcends the particular charge that City face and seem likely to be severely punished for.

Sure, that's because CAS have the reputation for being impartial on this. But CAS is not strictly a legal entity, it is an arbitration service, and doesn't make the judgements on the basis of a particular statute law. Therefore the arguments being put to CAS would likely be entirely different to the arguments and the nature of any legal action through the actual courts.

On another matter, this from Simon Stone:

"About three weeks ago, Manchester City made a very detailed submission that extended to more than 100 pages.

"It has not gone unnoticed by the club that it is five years to the day since Uefa announced City had breached FFP rules and fined them £49m, although City received £33m back three years later after they met regulations.

"According to CFCB's own regulations, they cannot bring prosecutions more than five years after the event.

In the referral it is understood the CFCB said that through their submission there are further questions to be asked of City but, since their submission, none of these questions has been put to the club."

He's suggesting there that UEFA have rushed this to meet the five year deadline rather than following the due process. Interesting - and in itself would likely get it thrown out.

 

[RACHACE]

Abu Dhabi should just announce a plan to sponsor an independent European super league with double the prize money of the Champions League. There was a plan for an expanded club world cup sponsored by the Saudis that UEFA opposed because it will affect the Champions League. Sheikh Mansour should call the Saudis and come up with a new plan.

Don’t you like domestic football?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Note they put WHEN and not if.
This is going to get tasty. I'm loving it

The use of the word "when" gives it away. We have already been found guilty.

 

[Gordyola]

Would we have to fight it there ?

CAS are based in Switzerland

If we went legal then being a UK company we would go to British law

 

[razman]

The use of the word "when" gives it away. We have already been found guilty.

:(

Mere formality I guess

 

[bobmcfc]

CAS are based in Switzerland

If we went legal then being a UK company we would go to British law

Thanks

 

[hcblue95]

CAS are based in Switzerland

If we went legal then being a UK company we would go to British law

But the punishment is exclusion from a European competition. I don't know if it would have anything to do with British law. Someone will have a good understanding?

 

[kippax4ever]

Never dull with City is it? :)

Wouldn't want it any other way mate.
So when we win the case,could that go as a title(eufa),& could will class it as a..quintuple..

 

[Tricky_Trev]

UEFA aren't even good at covering their tracks, the timeline of the announcement correlates with the NYT article, so the establishment of a leak from the process is now firmly rubber stamped.

We are going to have to be patient as a supporter base, the process will go well beyond CAS and eventually to personal lawsuits. Our good name be cleared completely.

The club could not have provided any clearer evidence of no wrongdoing. We know the fix is in, both chambers.

What I can say, this is about as personal as it gets and City will now be in good hands for the next 100 YEARS.

Wait to hear from Khaldoon next week, that's what I'll say.

When this is over, the pain will have been well worth it.

Tolmie, you always make me feel tingly inside.

Khaldoon’s interview should be conducted with a team of lawyers behind him, with him sat in a Bond villain-esque chair. Maybe some menacing intro music.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Sure, that's because CAS have the reputation for being impartial on this. But CAS is not strictly a legal entity, it is an arbitration service, and doesn't make the judgements on the basis of a particular statute law. Therefore the arguments being put to CAS would likely be entirely different to the arguments and the nature of any legal action through the actual courts.

On another matter, this from Simon Stone:

"About three weeks ago, Manchester City made a very detailed submission that extended to more than 100 pages.

"It has not gone unnoticed by the club that it is five years to the day since Uefa announced City had breached FFP rules and fined them £49m, although City received £33m back three years later after they met regulations.

"According to CFCB's own regulations, they cannot bring prosecutions more than five years after the event.

In the referral it is understood the CFCB said that through their submission there are further questions to be asked of City but, since their submission, none of these questions has been put to the club."

He's suggesting there that UEFA have rushed this to meet the five year deadline rather than following the due process. Interesting - and in itself would likely get it thrown out.

But perhaps that is the UEFA plan. Have it thrown out on a technicality and let the mud stick while showing their sponsors that they really did try.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

We are going to have to be patient as a supporter base, the process will go well beyond CAS and eventually to personal lawsuits. Our good name be cleared completely.

The club could not have provided any clearer evidence of no wrongdoing. We know the fix is in, both chambers.

What I can say, this is about as personal as it gets and City will now be in good hands for the next 100 YEARS.

Wait to hear from Khaldoon next week, that's what I'll say.

When this is over, the pain will have been well worth it.

Ever hear of Lizzie Borden, it's nearly 150 years for her and her name is still famous and not cleared!

 

[John Wayne]

Sure, that's because CAS have the reputation for being impartial on this. But CAS is not strictly a legal entity, it is an arbitration service, and doesn't make the judgements on the basis of a particular statute law. Therefore the arguments being put to CAS would likely be entirely different to the arguments and the nature of any legal action through the actual courts.

On another matter, this from Simon Stone:

"About three weeks ago, Manchester City made a very detailed submission that extended to more than 100 pages.

"It has not gone unnoticed by the club that it is five years to the day since Uefa announced City had breached FFP rules and fined them £49m, although City received £33m back three years later after they met regulations.

"According to CFCB's own regulations, they cannot bring prosecutions more than five years after the event.

In the referral it is understood the CFCB said that through their submission there are further questions to be asked of City but, since their submission, none of these questions has been put to the club."

He's suggesting there that UEFA have rushed this to meet the five year deadline rather than following the due process. Interesting - and in itself would likely get it thrown out.

Sorry, can you clarify something for me please? We are five years on from the sentencing. The alleged event of us having misled UEFA occurred more than five years ago. Surely it is therefore beyond the CFCB's own statute of limitations?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Tolmie, you always make me feel tingly inside.

Khaldoon’s interview should be conducted with a team of lawyers behind him, with him sat in Bond villain-esque chair. Maybe some menacing intro music.

And a cat!

 

[cheekybids]

UEFA aren't even good at covering their tracks, the timeline of the announcement correlates with the NYT article, so the establishment of a leak from the process is now firmly rubber stamped.

We are going to have to be patient as a supporter base, the process will go well beyond CAS and eventually to personal lawsuits. Our good name be cleared completely.

The club could not have provided any clearer evidence of no wrongdoing. We know the fix is in, both chambers.

What I can say, this is about as personal as it gets and City will now be in good hands for the next 100 YEARS.

Wait to hear from Khaldoon next week, that's what I'll say.

When this is over, the pain will have been well worth it.

I’d buy a ticket to see this ! Might even stay to the end ;0)