UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[dickie davies]

Well he must hate himself then.

If you had his looks , every morning when you saw yourself in a mirror you'd hate yourself

 

[Saddleworth2]

I've found a document that confirms the Etihad sponsorship was covered by the Executive Council, not ADUG. It was part of the Open Skies case brought by the US airlines against the Gulf ones (Etihad, Qatar & Emirates) and claimed that they were in receipt of huge government subsidies. As part of their defence Etihad had a presentation done for the Crown Prince, MBZ, by consultants Booz Allen.
Link here: http://www.openandfairskies.com/press-releases/newly-unearthed-etihad-documents/

Go to the link saying "major legal submission" and it'll open a PDF. On page 14 it says:

So there you have it. The Etihad sponsorship money, at least that money that wasn't paid from their own funds, came from the Executive Council, not ADUG.

That’s some evidence Colin. You should be on City’s legal team.

 

[supercity88]

I've found a document that confirms the Etihad sponsorship was covered by the Executive Council, not ADUG. It was part of the Open Skies case brought by the US airlines against the Gulf ones (Etihad, Qatar & Emirates) and claimed that they were in receipt of huge government subsidies. As part of their defence Etihad had a presentation done for the Crown Prince, MBZ, by consultants Booz Allen.
Link here: http://www.openandfairskies.com/press-releases/newly-unearthed-etihad-documents/

Go to the link saying "major legal submission" and it'll open a PDF. On page 14 it says:

So there you have it. The Etihad sponsorship money, at least that money that wasn't paid from their own funds, came from the Executive Council, not ADUG.

"I rest my case"

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Get your facts straight. Also, FFP is one of the things we're in no danger of breaking. We're constantly controlled and checked upon by every financial regulatory body in Italy.

I'm not surprised, your club has a history of rank corruption that far outweighs this.

 

[Saddleworth2]

It's interesting, isn't it, that we know for a fact journalists read these threads yet I wonder if any will pick up on the Etihad/Executive Council email like @Prestwich_Blue.

Not if it stops them writing double spreads on who will leave. C*nts.

 

[waspish]

Get your facts straight. Also, FFP is one of the things we're in no danger of breaking. We're constantly controlled and checked upon by every financial regulatory body in Italy.

So are we but we are not aloud to inflate our sponsors! Ffp is a fcuking joke why can’t someone spend what they want!

 

[OB1]

I've found a document that confirms the Etihad sponsorship was covered by the Executive Council, not ADUG. It was part of the Open Skies case brought by the US airlines against the Gulf ones (Etihad, Qatar & Emirates) and claimed that they were in receipt of huge government subsidies. As part of their defence Etihad had a presentation done for the Crown Prince, MBZ, by consultants Booz Allen.
Link here: http://www.openandfairskies.com/press-releases/newly-unearthed-etihad-documents/

Go to the link saying "major legal submission" and it'll open a PDF. On page 14 it says:

So there you have it. The Etihad sponsorship money, at least that money that wasn't paid from their own funds, came from the Executive Council, not ADUG.

Interesting find. It certainly supports the idea that the Etihad money has come from the State in order to help promote its airline. Hopefully this is an indication of that City really do have irrefutable evidence and that UEFA are in fact trying to bend their own rules to nobble us.

 

[KS55]

As was said by prominent UK lawyer Mark Stevens yesterday

Actually, there is. Uefa commissioned two reports into PSG sponsorships' fair value. The reports differed widely, especially with regard to the "world branding" sponsorship from (?) Quatar tourist board. Uefa investigatory committee decided to take the higher values and even increased them. PSG fell just within the loss limit allowed and closed the case. The adjucatory committee tried to reopen it, astonished at the IC's actions, but they could not, ruled CAS.
Oh, and the chair of the Investigatory Committee? Monsieur Leterme, of course. The fact that the PSG chairman sat on UEFA bodies was nothing to do with it, nor was the world cup. Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[M18CTID]

If HH always refers to one person (not Mansour) then evidence will be there. What a great way to justify it! An easy off tye record chat to say, we need it to be from Mansour but put HH just this once!

Clever! Only, there was never any need for it to come from Mansour as ADEC were the ones propping Etihad up. If this is the crux of UEFA's main beef with us, are they really that thick - once it's been explained to them - to assume HH is still Sheikh Mansour? That's some serious fucking straw clutching from UEFA if it is indeed the case!

 

[Marvin]

It's interesting, isn't it, that we know for a fact journalists read these threads yet I wonder if any will pick up on the Etihad/Executive Council email like @Prestwich_Blue.

The M.E.N might but I doubt any of the others will.

I can understand why emails suggesting that ADUG maybe funding the Etihad sponsorship have become big news so by the same token evidence that it was covered by the Abu Dhabi Executive should be newsworthy too. Unless of course the objective is to smear.

Over to you David Conn. This is your territory. If you've got any integrity you will run this.

Is such evidence relevant to the CAS enquiry? I am confused as to the scope of their investigation.

 

[squirtyflower]

By that logic, he presumably believes football journalism should be written by "football men".

Indeed, let’s add hypocrisy to the list

 

[blue b4 the moon]

My take on it is that Ethihad were going through and still are a tough time and needed a cash injection which came from the government of Abu Dhabi . All the experts are linking it to city but if you look at there portfolio of who they sponcer it is huge Sydney opera House to the MLS with basketball rugby and athletes in between

That's quite a valid point, if they were skint did our guy pay all the other ones as well or were they paid via Govt money & he just at said "it's cool guys I'll take care of City"?

 

[blueinsa]

Get your facts straight. Also, FFP is one of the things we're in no danger of breaking. We're constantly controlled and checked upon by every financial regulatory body in Italy.

So was we are we sat under special scrutiny from not only UEFA but also the PL.

Goalposts moved again and hey presto........

 

[squirtyflower]

Ask him if he has any thoughts about Sheffield United being Saudi owned, Chelsea and Bournemouth owned by Russian oligarchs, Stoke owned by a family that runs a betting organisation, Brighton owned by a professional gambler, West Ham owned by people who made their money from porn mags and dildos, United owned by a bunch of cowboys with previous experience only in American football and shopping malls, Liverpool run by a shady American with a baseball background whose baseball and football clubs have both been called out for cheating, etc., etc.

Think he’s only there for an hour, plus I can see the conference organisers dragging me away and sacking me

 

[Mike Cledford]

Good job you didn`t have one on yer nob. ;)

Don't lower the tone, Oakie. Gardeners Question Time on the radio mentioned the Winsford Flashers so l listened for you to come on especially when all the questions came from posh ladies.
Not a scouse accent around to ask about the old cars in their front gardens on the Overspill estate.

 

[East Level 2]

Any players who want to leave because of this can leave. We need players who’s attitude mirrors the solidarity, loyalty and grit of the fans.

So we need to be down to around 7 on the pitch by the final whistle?

 

[axlgod]

"I rest my case"

that makes me feel very reassured.

I’ll get ready to grab the popcorn & watch UEFA crumble.

 

[Scottish Cityzen]

I've been rightly corrected on the 'HE' point which I got wrong but other posters have confirmed that Mansour and other members of theroyal family are referred to as 'HH' with their names immediately following (as in HH Sheikh Mansour). 'HH' on its own refers either to the ruler of Abu Dhabi or the crown prince with opinions on this varying. However, what has been established is that 'HH' on its own can't refer to Mansour.

Thanks mate, it’s a complicated business!

 

[supercity88]

Even if HH is Mansour, what are alternate sources? Could they be shareholders in the companies that are providing the sponsorship. I don't see how that's proof that Mansour provided the shortfall himself.

And that is our argument to CAS. Based on the information we submitted to UEFA have they followed the right procedure and protocols to arrive at their decision. They reviewed our information, we failed to hit FFP targets and they fined us and gave us a reduced squad. Then some emails came out that they believed to confirm we had misled them. So they reviewed us again and brought in an additional fine and ban. If it is based on an email where HH is referenced, and we have confirmed this isn't who they think it is, then it wouldn't appear they have followed a due process in making their decision. Furthermore, it is clear from the US evidence into gulf airlines, that Etihad secured funding from Abu Dhabi state and that corroborates our argument about who HH is and where those funds came from. Not from our owner as an attempt to be compliant...

Furthermore, why would City get their owner to pump in funds when we missed the (revised) FFP target anyway. That would be pointless. The fact we were fined and punished anyway should have some bearing on the context of this new information UEFA have processed.

CAS will hopefully review the information and feel City provided enough evidence to disprove the hacked emails and their allegations and UEFA didn't undertake a fair process in coming to their verdict.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

That’s some evidence Colin. You should be on City’s legal team.

Makes me wonder what UEFA have actually got.

If it's just this then surely even they wouldn't go with this as justification added to the state of the 'investigation' process they'd be shooting themselves in both feet.