Yes mocking our fanbase has become a national sport. Just the usual selective use of comments to twist the truth and publish on Twitter for the hate-filled hordes. We are all loons and conspiracy theorists don't you know? The BBC has led the way and now others follow.https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1229351845866463232
ha ha a few posters from here on this @Prestwich_Blue @karen7
I just think a lot of people on here have their heads in the clouds if they think it will be completely overturned. The evidence is there and UEFA have acted on it, doesn't matter how it was obtained or how unfair the process was. The best that City can hope for is a reduction in that sanction.
These fears mirror my own. I can't reconcile myself to the belief that CAS will just say "dearie dear, how unfair FFP is, case dismissed", and if we go in there expecting to argue the rights and wrongs of that system and how erratically it has been administered in the past, then we're on to a sure-fire loser. By the same token then, I'm struggling to understand why, if we're prepared to gamble the club's entire future on the hope that CAS will find UEFA's processes sufficiently flawed to overturn their decision, we did not accept the relatively minor 'technical guilt' plea that was offered us by Ceferin (UEFA). This case is so huge, I can't see CAS exonerating us unless our evidence is utterly overwhelming, and I don't think it is. In fact, I think that as a de facto conciliation service, they're more likely to view our attempts to finesse our way around FFP unfavourably. Getting the ban reduced by a year looks the best we're going to get to me, and as a fanbase I think we have to stop looking at this through the prism of what is "fair" and focus more on what the remit is of the organisations we're appealing to. "You come at the king, you best not miss" GIFs, and gung ho attitudes, are blinding us
"The Club has always anticipated the ultimate need to seek out an independent body and process to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence in support of its position" what position do you think that could be? that they have made an honest mistake? that they feel it hasn't been a fair process? I don't see any denial of guilt in that statement.
Or it's position being how it feels about the process? and the punishment being too harsh, hence the appeal. I'm sure we will find out more in the coming weeks and months.
Sorry if i misunderstand but you say the uefa chamber 1 did not look at our dossier and uefa chamber 2 did the same even though it is their job to do so. If they askfor a defence from us then refuse to look at it surely that option has to be written into their rules because chamber 2 had plenty of time.This is all that seriously worries me.
If we fail at the first hurdle with the proper procedure was not adhered to by UEFA angle.
My understanding is CAS will not accept additional irrefutable evidence from us at the appeal.
They will only review the evidence that was used by UEFA to convict us.
Maybe this is why UEFA would not accept irrefutable evidence by us,they knew full well it would prejudice their case at a CAS appeal.They knew we would appeal,so planned for this.
CAS could take the view we went along with FFP from the beginning,we signed up to it with UEFA.
Thus by default we agreed to all of UEFA contractual terms and conditions.
And now unfortunately we must reap what we actually helped sow.
Even so UEFA did move the goal posts with FFP to accommodate PSG,good lawyers will use this
We might be forced to eat a shit sandwich at the end of all this by CAS.
The sentence is so OTT though,even if we are not fully cleared at this stage of the game,i am sure CAS will try and work out a compromise.
We will tell them to fuck off with the 1 year ban.
And off to the legal Courts we go.
The legal Courts will be interested in our irrefutable evidence of our innocence.And ask UEFA why didn't you accept it to start with ?, had you accepted this evidence you would have had no choice but reach a different verdict.Also it would have been available to CAS at the appeal.
Whole thing stinks of a stitch up.
I am not holding out much hope for CAS.I see them pushing for compromise rather than aquital. I think that was why UEFA threw the proverbial kitchen Sink at us.They knew it would be halfed at CAS for being excessive.
I think our Club sees this going all the way to the Legal Courts.
Just my opinion.
Question, I've just noted this on Dan Roan's article on the BBC:
There is no guarantee City will be granted a suspension of their ban when they apply for it in the coming days at the same time as any appeal. The decision - made by a Cas official - will be based on an assessment of the merits of City's appeal, so this initial decision will give a strong indication of their prospects.
What are our chances at receiving this suspension? My understanding is that if it is granted we could potentially drag this out over a 10 year period if required, meaning the punishment is continually suspended, this would be a nightmare for UEFA.
How would that also impact upon the PL investigation?
Saw that. Made me laugh.https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1229351845866463232
ha ha a few posters from here on this @Prestwich_Blue @karen7
Agreed.we won’t be arguing at CAS that FFP is wrong (that may come later). I doubt uefa are arguing that we finessed anything. They seem to be arguing we fraudulently misled them as to the circumstances surrounding what we settled on in 2014. If we did we lose, if we didn’t we win. For them to make that argument they will need more than the Der Spiegel leaks.
We've said we have irrefutable evidence we haven't committed a breach several times.
Mainly the fans of G14 clubs. I'm sensing a different reaction from English fans of other teams who seem to be realising that if we don't win this argument then there is no hope of them ever being able to compete at the top level again. We lose and the closed shop will be forever locked.Its interesting who your friends & who are your enemies when stuff like this comes out.
Fuck me we have alot of enemies!
The case will come down to what evidence UEFA has been able to compile to supplement the leaked emails. If its the leaked emails and tumbleweed (which is what City are hedging), then I reckon we will give 'em an absolute bath in CAS - after all we are in a position of power in all this, in terms of having access to 'context documents' that UEFA simply has no jurisdiction to get - even with whatever information gathering powers they have under FFP. If UEFA has done the hard yards, corroborated what is implied by the dirty emails through other evidence - then we are up a creek most likely, and deservedly so if other evidence can support their arguments to show we 'misled them' about the source of funding underlying sponsorship (not the very clearly chosen words in UEFAs statmeent - this is not about 'overvaluing' our sponsorships, but 'overstating' them - which to me suggests a focus on the source of the funds in the case of UEFA, not the absolute quantum (which was what got us the first time around)
But if UEFA has been bluffing, and the hacked emails are basically it, then if our lawyers are worth anything like what we will pay them, then we will have them over a barrel.
Its a fascinating example of John Nash 'game theory' at play. Lots of brikmanship, lots of gamesmanship, lots of strategy based on 'i think they know this, or think this, or have this'. It seems likely one party or the other will take a heavy beating if it is all played out either in CAS or later on in the courts. Hence my view is that the most likely outcome of CAS is a negotiated settlement with a much lower punishment.
These fears mirror my own. I can't reconcile myself to the belief that CAS will just say "dearie dear, how unfair FFP is, case dismissed", and if we go in there expecting to argue the rights and wrongs of that system and how erratically it has been administered in the past, then we're on to a sure-fire loser. By the same token then, I'm struggling to understand why, if we're prepared to gamble the club's entire future on the hope that CAS will find UEFA's processes sufficiently flawed to overturn their decision, we did not accept the relatively minor 'technical guilt' plea that was offered us by Ceferin (UEFA). This case is so huge, I can't see CAS exonerating us unless our evidence is utterly overwhelming, and I don't think it is. In fact, I think that as a de facto conciliation service, they're more likely to view our attempts to finesse our way around FFP unfavourably. Getting the ban reduced by a year looks the best we're going to get to me, and as a fanbase I think we have to stop looking at this through the prism of what is "fair" and focus more on what the remit is of the organisations we're appealing to. "You come at the king, you best not miss" GIFs, and gung ho attitudes, are blinding us. For 'smart' people, we (City) have come off 2nd best every time we've got involved with this crooked shower
Surely a man of your gifts and experience can sleep easily though....Errr...not sure you're on your own with that one, mate.
I fucking hate the guy but one paragraph stuck out to me which I never really thought about but would have to agree with
"There is no guarantee City will be granted a suspension of their ban when they apply for it in the coming days at the same time as any appeal. The decision - made by a Cas official - will be based on an assessment of the merits of City's appeal, so this initial decision will give a strong indication of their prospects."