UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[I'm no cynic but...]

So it's ok for American investors to invade our league and splash their money about, and/or saddle their clubs with debt, but as soon as this money comes from the Middle Eastern sources it becomes "Dirty oil money"? It stinks of hypocrisy, but don't worry folks, the knock-on effects of this will see other clubs own funding collapse as the perceived values of their own players sink as inevitably as the Titanic did. Players who today are being quoted at silly money such as £50m upwards will see their real values plummet to realistic money at about a tenth of that as clubs become shit scared of spending, if they spend at all, and smaller clubs who rely on selling to survive will be going to the wall. It should all be worth a laugh.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Question, I've just noted this on Dan Roan's article on the BBC:

There is no guarantee City will be granted a suspension of their ban when they apply for it in the coming days at the same time as any appeal. The decision - made by a Cas official - will be based on an assessment of the merits of City's appeal, so this initial decision will give a strong indication of their prospects.

What are our chances at receiving this suspension? My understanding is that if it is granted we could potentially drag this out over a 10 year period if required, meaning the punishment is continually suspended, this would be a nightmare for UEFA.

How would that also impact upon the PL investigation?

If they don’t suspend it, it could lead to massive complications if we are found innocent in a year or two. If innocent then all the money from the times we have been banned would be owed, if the league dock us points then that would have to be reversed and no doubt monies owed, if however it’s suspended and we play next year and then are found guilty, whoever finishes 5th could have a case for loss of monies due to nit been in champions league. It’s a mess one way or the other.

 

[journolud]

Yes mocking our fanbase has become a national sport. Just the usual selective use of comments to twist the truth and publish on Twitter for the hate-filled hordes. We are all loons and conspiracy theorists don't you know? The BBC has led the way and now others follow.

To be fair paddy power rip the piss out of everyone. We can’t be too precious in this instance

 

[Bald fraud]

Its interesting who your friends & who are your enemies when stuff like this comes out.
Fuck me we have alot of enemies!

Never seen hatred like it absolutely shocking!

 

[Trojan1962]

So many people on here can't hold a sensible conversation on this, grown men too, instead you would rather look at my previous posts to see how active I am in the forum and hurl abuse, seriously grow up, I'm not sat in the away end, Jesus. I have an opinion you have an opinion it's a forum for discussion?? I never said I had seen all the evidence I said I've read and seen the evidence in support of UEFA's claims and that is pretty compelling. This is readily available on the web if you bother to go and look for it. I also questioned the club statement because it is interestingly worded again in my opinion.

I've been a City fan for a long time but seriously take a step back have a good think about the whole situation, it is a mess now and it could take a long time to fix. UEFA have succeeded in damaging the clubs reputation whether they are right or wrong only time will tell.

At a time when positivity and the need to all stick together and trust what the hierarchy at City have said you come along and put your negative slant on things. I think you need to look at what you have written. Other than for attention seeking purposes it doesn’t make sense. Your love for our great club is definitely questionable.

 

[paulchapo]

Ahh I wondered when the scouse hockey troll would raise her ugly head.

 

[nmc]

It's interesting, isn't it, that we know for a fact journalists read these threads yet I wonder if any will pick up on the Etihad/Executive Council email like @Prestwich_Blue.

If they did they’d ignore it. It doesn't fit their agenda.

 

[Gordyola]

So many people on here can't hold a sensible conversation on this, grown men too, instead you would rather look at my previous posts to see how active I am in the forum and hurl abuse, seriously grow up, I'm not sat in the away end, Jesus. I have an opinion you have an opinion it's a forum for discussion?? I never said I had seen all the evidence I said I've read and seen the evidence in support of UEFA's claims and that is pretty compelling. This is readily available on the web if you bother to go and look for it. I also questioned the club statement because it is interestingly worded again in my opinion.

I've been a City fan for a long time but seriously take a step back have a good think about the whole situation, it is a mess now and it could take a long time to fix. UEFA have succeeded in damaging the clubs reputation whether they are right or wrong only time will tell.

You havent

UEFA said they would not make anything available in public before CAS make their verdict

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Very interesting quote from Soriano to the players, if it's true:

City CEO Ferran Soriano told players: “Trust me like I trust you, this will be dropped.”

 

[SidJames]

Sorry if i misunderstand but you say the uefa chamber 1 did not look at our dossier and uefa chamber 2 did the same even though it is their job to do so. If they askfor a defence from us then refuse to look at it surely that option has to be written into their rules because chamber 2 had plenty of time.

I am not 100% on how the procedure worked at UEFA.

All i do know is our Owners are alleging we have irrefutable proof of our innocence.That we have tried to give this additional information to UEFA,and they would not accept it.

That is highly likely why we are saying the whole process was a Witch hunt from the start

Also the reason we fully expect this to go all the way to the legal Courts.

Not only have UEFA prejudiced the case against us from the beginning.They have also prejudiced our appeal to CAS. Who will not get to see the additional information.

Hence the reason i am not personally holding out much hope for CAS,i expect them to push for compromise, rather than acquittal.

 

[dannyboy29]

2 things I'm failing to understand.

Why are UEFA allowed to give the verdict? that would be like someone is up on a murder charge and the victims family being the jury.

How are the emails being used as evidence? They were obtained unlawfully so should be inadmissible.

 

[citymike1969]

Will the CAS sanction us on the basis that one of the hacked emails contained gloating about the death of one of the uefa hierarchy?

 

[Academica]

Very interesting quote from Soriano to the players, if it's true:

City CEO Ferran Soriano told players: “Trust me like I trust you, this will be dropped.”

That can't be true, badaz52 says the best we can hope for is a one year ban.

 

[Uptop]

You havent

UEFA said they would not make anything available in public before CAS make their verdict

He's a realist dont you know? A person based on facts, im sure he wouldnt be making this up, so we have to assume he is part of UEFA's investigation team to know these things.

 

[west didsblue]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1229351845866463232
ha ha a few posters from here on this @Prestwich_Blue @karen7

Could be worse. Don't think anyone's blamed Chelsea fans yet.

 

[stan bowles]

This is all that seriously worries me.

If we fail at the first hurdle with the proper procedure was not adhered to by UEFA angle.

My understanding is CAS will not accept additional irrefutable evidence from us at the appeal.

They will only review the evidence that was used by UEFA to convict us.

Maybe this is why UEFA would not accept irrefutable evidence by us,they knew full well it would prejudice their case at a CAS appeal.They knew we would appeal,so planned for this.

CAS could take the view we went along with FFP from the beginning,we signed up to it with UEFA.

Thus by default we agreed to all of UEFA contractual terms and conditions.

And now unfortunately we must reap what we actually helped sow.

Even so UEFA did move the goal posts with FFP to accommodate PSG,good lawyers will use this

We might be forced to eat a shit sandwich at the end of all this by CAS.

The sentence is so OTT though,even if we are not fully cleared at this stage of the game,i am sure CAS will try and work out a compromise.

We will tell them to fuck off with the 1 year ban.

And off to the legal Courts we go.

The legal Courts will be interested in our irrefutable evidence of our innocence.And ask UEFA why didn't you accept it to start with ?, had you accepted this evidence you would have had no choice but reach a different verdict.Also it would have been available to CAS at the appeal.

Whole thing stinks of a stitch up.

I am not holding out much hope for CAS.I see them pushing for compromise rather than aquital. I think that was why UEFA threw the proverbial kitchen Sink at us.They knew it would be halfed at CAS for being excessive.

I think our Club sees this going all the way to the Legal Courts.

Just my opinion.

Some interesting points. I'm curious to know why (in legal terms) the CAS would come to a compromise ? On what legal basis do you think this might happen ? It seems our position is not some halfway house where UEFA might agree to a compromise agreement. Either we or they are fully fucked and one side or the other has to take the full consequence of the CAS judgement. From what others have said in this thread, we had our opportunity to accept a reduced penalty when the UEFA senior exec met with our senior team at 2 CL ties this season and we rejected it.

 

[badaz52]

At a time when positivity and the need to all stick together and trust what the hierarchy at City have said you come along and put your negative slant on things. I think you need to look at what you have written. Other than for attention seeking purposes it doesn’t make sense. Your love for our great club is definitely questionable.

Fair enough. I do hope the ban is overturned just like everyone else but unless the leaked emails turn out to be fake I'm not convinced.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I am not 100% on how the procedure worked at UEFA.

All i do know is our Owners are alleging we have irrefutable proof of our innocence.That we have tried to give this additional information to UEFA,and they would not accept it.

That is highly likely why we are saying the whole process was a Witch hunt from the start

Also the reason we fully expect this to go all the way to the legal Courts.

Not only have UEFA prejudiced the case against us from the beginning.They have also prejudiced our appeal to CAS. Who will not get to see the additional information.

Hence the reason i am not personally holding out much hope for CAS,i expect them to push for compromise, rather than acquittal.

Interesting point on the dossier not being admissible to CAS. They could I suppose rule on whether the AC should have considered it (if they didn’t) and kick it back to them. AC could then re sanction and we are back in 6 months time at the same position. Prolonged bad PR for the club. Perhaps a clever ploy from UEFA?

maybe that’s where the Swiss court references come in. We might end up taking CAS there if they refuse to consider the dossier too.

would be so much easier to analyse if we were able to see the decisions. I think I shall stop speculating now!

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

That lawyer was wrong about "fair market value". See PSG case.

This is not a precedent because UEFA did not accept its own advice and did not second guess the sponsorship. Nor has UEFA's competence in this area been established by precedent.

 

[badaz52]

You havent

UEFA said they would not make anything available in public before CAS make their verdict

I was talking about the leaked emails that fit with the CFCB statement regarding their findings. That is the evidence I'm referring to as that is all we have to go on publicly at the moment. If they are fake then so be it.