Did I misinterpret the CAS report or is it not true that only evidence that has already been presented in the ruling against us is admissible now. UEFA can't throw anything new into the mix now.I'd assume that the lawyers involved would be the ones who see the information, and they'd generally be pretty keen to keep their reputations intact.
@gordondaviesmoustache's point about maybe holding back up to now sounds like a reasonable point, but presumably doesn't hold when it goes to CAS.
I’ve actually been thinking about this myself.https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...nvestigation-into-abu-dhabi-sponsors-football
This is our friend Conn’s latest article.
He argues that UEFA were duped about Etihad being able to fund the sponsorship deal. He alleges that, in the event, Sheikh Monsour covered the debt.
Consequently, according to Conn, Etihad should now be treated as a ”related party” and the fair value of the sponsorship subjected to scrutiny.
If re-valued downwards, that would affect our accounts on an ongoing basis, not just up to 2016. He’s raising this as a new spectre.
In effect it’s a slightly re-packaged frightener on his part, not based on new evidence or revelations.
That’s my take FWIW.
Did I misinterpret the CAS report or is it not true that only evidence that has already been presented in the ruling against us is admissible now. UEFA can't throw anything new into the mix now.
I also took that as meaning if we have anything up our sleeve, it had better be in the 200 page dossier, as we can't present anything new at this point in time. That would have to come after CAS.
Have I got that wrong?
That is a frankly alarming admission for a supposedly credible journalist who expects people to respect his opinion on this story to make - if he can't understand the legal and financial arguments which underpin this issue, what's the point in anyone giving his opinion any greater credence than your average fan in the street?
Proper journalists are supposed to add value and insight to the narrative - not just spout ill-informed, poorly-researched opinion.
My impression is that this is more an admission of the one-eyed nature of his reporting, and his flagrant lack of interest in providing anything approaching balance in his reporting - he doesn't even want to try and understand both sides of the story, even if only to argue why he thinks one side may be wrong.
The other stand outs were how far away from the pitch we were and there was a bloke there rejoicing at them selling alcohol in the stadium. “I’ve already had five bottles in the ground and am well on the way. Far more civilised than England and this Sin Alcohol isn’t half bad”!And the City fans signing "you don't know what you're doing" to Dunny just before he lifted the trophy!
Supporters clubs have already got them..........When do tickets for the CAS hearing go on sale?
He's got less credibility as a journalist than I do as a contributor on Bluemoon. That's really bad for him.
That's not true about Etihad. I think he's quoting Conn. Sheikh Mansour has no direct connection with Etihad.Great forensic analysis, no wonder journalists don't like seeing the kind of thing they should be doing themselves. One thing puzzled me - it states that Sheikh Mansour chairs the investment company which owns Etihad. I'd thought this was true of the other two smaller AD sponsors, but not Etihad or is he just quoting Conn's article which might well have made an error about this.
Yeh, that would seem likely and I expect City to do that, win or lose at CAS. If we lose at CAS and then take it all to Court though, then the hammering we’re taking off the press at the moment, will be as nothing compared to what is to come. “Arrogant bullies who won’t admit that they cheated”, etc etc.
Also, the suspicious old coot in me, makes me wonder if the cartel would quite like us to dismantle UEFA in Court and leave them (the cartel) free to strike out on their own with a Euro league, with MCFC not invited.
One thing I do know, is that it’s all fucking stressful and, as a fan, my hatred for these people is off the scale. After 30 years of thin and thinner, I just wanted to savour the joy of watching my team play beautiful football and maybe win a trophy or two, but the bitter cnuts have done everything in their power to try and prevent that from the get go. I hope we destroy them, but I’m far from confident based on how subjective the law is
I don’t have enough points :(Supporters clubs have already got them..........
Don't be so hard on yourself mate - I always enjoyed your input during the dark days of the late Mancini era!
I’m with you on the stress side, I’m defending City every way I look at the moment and what comes across is rival,fans haven’t a clue what is actually going on, they just see the cheat headlines, UEFA May have played a blinder if it all gets thrown out especially on a technicality then they can say they’ve done their job and we were guilty, shit sticks, we will be forever labelled that and it would hurt us in the long run, or UEFA shot themselves in the foot if we are exonerated and go to court to rip them a new one, hoping it’s the latter and the arrogance of UEFA has screwed they up. I think a huge change will come after this either way as everyone is now seeing this played out worldwide in the press at just how corrupt and elitist UEFA are, there seems to be a groundswell of support for us, Christ even Talkshite are behind us!Yeh, that would seem likely and I expect City to do that, win or lose at CAS. If we lose at CAS and then take it all to Court though, then the hammering we’re taking off the press at the moment, will be as nothing compared to what is to come. “Arrogant bullies who won’t admit that they cheated”, etc etc.
Also, the suspicious old coot in me, makes me wonder if the cartel would quite like us to dismantle UEFA in Court and leave them (the cartel) free to strike out on their own with a Euro league, with MCFC not invited.
One thing I do know, is that it’s all fucking stressful and, as a fan, my hatred for these people is off the scale. After 30 years of thin and thinner, I just wanted to savour the joy of watching my team play beautiful football and maybe win a trophy or two, but the bitter cnuts have done everything in their power to try and prevent that from the get go. I hope we destroy them, but I’m far from confident based on how subjective the law is
Haha. I'm afraid that there are some things in life, you never really live down. The internet never forgets.
I mean this in all sincerity mate, the likes of yourself and @Didsbury Dave were the beacons of sanity back then.
I'm not remotely convinced of the competence of UEFA so I would not rule out them having cocked-up. Also, it's possible that people withing UEFA have been told their jobs won't be under threat if they find us guilty and it gets overturned subsequently. They know the media are against us so might think it is worth trying it on.
As long as it wasn't your 'legal team'. I'd leave all that to @worsleywebMy lawyers have had me delete my reply to your post above on grounds of it being libellous and Jonny and Miggles already having a hard on for me.
I do wonder if that it what has happened. City may have reluctantly concluded that UEFA were so unreasonable that their best course of action was to wait.
Something isn't right about the whole thing: we should have been able to kill this stone dead at UEFA if we did not break their rules. Perhaps their interpretation of the rules or evidence differs from City's.