UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[kaz7]

journolud I do know that that would not happen. Will you just think out of the box for this time. If they did this, it would be hard for UEFA to find that many sponsors all at once. They who run UEFA would be scratching their heads as to where to find that many sponsors all at once. It would be all the harder with this coronavirus running rampant through Europe. Those that might have though about do sponsorship would now be having second thoughts about doing any sponsorship at all due to the lack of money coming in and a lot of money going out.

Please could you quote people,bottom right hand side of posts it says reply,click on that and put your post there,ta

 

[andyhinch]

Please could you quote people,bottom right hand side of posts it says reply,click on that and put your post there,ta

You think that’ll stop his posts confusing the fuck out of people ?

 

[bluemanchester]

I do wonder how they're going to replace FFP, or re-engineer it.

I've been seeing a couple of reporters talking about how the leagues need to introduce a salary cap.

Considering that reporters nowadays are just mouthpieces of whichever organisation gives them favours..... This could be them setting the narrative for wage caps?

I think a salary cap and closed league is the long term goal of American owners and one or two others. Remember it may only need 14 votes to carry through.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Leave king kdb alone, he's entertaining

 

[KS55]

A salary cap existed in English football between 1901 and 1961. The immediate cause of its abolition was the threat of a strike by the PFA, led by Jimmy Hill. There were, of course, other compelling reasons for its abolition. It had always been very difficult to enforce. Clubs such as Burnley and Wolves had always demanded its rigorous enforcement because it made it easier for them to compete for players with the much richer big city clubs, but clubs had always found ways of providing players with "ghost" jobs which paid a salary but required no work. Perhaps more important was competition from European leagues, notably Italy. John Charles had left Leeds for Juventus in 1957 for a British record fee, but his signing on fee was many hundreds of times greater than the £10 signing on fee allowed in English football and his weekly wage was similarly much greater. In 1961 a number of the finest players in England followed Charles to Italy, in the same summer that a number of English clubs announced their intention to pay key players far more than the maximum wage had allowed. Since 1961 football has never tried to reimpose wage control and in the UK attempts at wage control were so unsuccessful that they provoked social conflict on a massive scale and played a large part in toppling two governments. UEFA's attempts at controlling wages as part of FFP have been deferential, to say the least, to the needs of a cartel of clubs. There is no doubt that if they tried to introduce a Europe wide cap it would applied as selectively as the rest of FFP and really would end in disaster in the courts. If the PL tried it we'd see a mass exodus of players back to Europe, a catastrophic decline in TV revenues, probably a players' strike and trouble from the 'istree clubs (and others). At a time when FFP seems unlikely to survive...

Perfect.

 

[Centurions]

Leave king kdb alone, he's entertaining

So are mime artists allegedly.

 

[manclad]

A salary cap existed in English football between 1901 and 1961. The immediate cause of its abolition was the threat of a strike by the PFA, led by Jimmy Hill. There were, of course, other compelling reasons for its abolition. It had always been very difficult to enforce. Clubs such as Burnley and Wolves had always demanded its rigorous enforcement because it made it easier for them to compete for players with the much richer big city clubs, but clubs had always found ways of providing players with "ghost" jobs which paid a salary but required no work. Perhaps more important was competition from European leagues, notably Italy. John Charles had left Leeds for Juventus in 1957 for a British record fee, but his signing on fee was many hundreds of times greater than the £10 signing on fee allowed in English football and his weekly wage was similarly much greater. In 1961 a number of the finest players in England followed Charles to Italy, in the same summer that a number of English clubs announced their intention to pay key players far more than the maximum wage had allowed. Since 1961 football has never tried to reimpose wage control and in the UK attempts at wage control were so unsuccessful that they provoked social conflict on a massive scale and played a large part in toppling two governments. UEFA's attempts at controlling wages as part of FFP have been deferential, to say the least, to the needs of a cartel of clubs. There is no doubt that if they tried to introduce a Europe wide cap it would applied as selectively as the rest of FFP and really would end in disaster in the courts. If the PL tried it we'd see a mass exodus of players back to Europe, a catastrophic decline in TV revenues, probably a players' strike and trouble from the 'istree clubs (and others). At a time when FFP seems unlikely to survive...

Just out of interest which wage controls provoked social unrest on a massive scale and which were the two governments that were toppled by them?
I can only remember some form of wage control by The Heath government in the mid 70s,but don't remember any large scale social unrest caused by that governments policies.

 

[hertsblue]

But there was a wage cap, but they god rid of it before United renewed donut thief’s contract, they then bumped him Up to one of the top earners of the PL

Still think this stinks of corruption. the PL quietly scraps its FFP Wage increase cap at a time Utd were desperate for it due to huge money new signings and lots of players coming up to being out of contract. Of course no one in the media asked why the PL scrapped it and the timing of scrapping it

 

[citizen_maine]

I think a salary cap and closed league is the long term goal of American owners and one or two others. Remember it may only need 14 votes to carry through.

...and the agreement of the players

 

[dickie davies]

There already is a salary cap. It's the maximum amount a club is willing to pay a player

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Just out of interest which wage controls provoked social unrest on a massive scale and which were the two governments that were toppled by them?
I can only remember some form of wage control by The Heath government in the mid 70s,but don't remember any large scale social unrest caused by that governments policies.

Jim Callaghan's government attempted to impose restraint on public sector workers in the winter of 1978-9 and saw his lead in the opinion polls vanish, paving the way for the Conservative victory of May '79. This was not as formal a "pay policy" as that of Heath or Wilson but in the autumn of '78 Healey had announced pay targets with sanctions on employers who gave in to demands exceeding these % target increases! The "winter of discontent was a massive rejection of this policy and the government was holed below the water line.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I think a salary cap and closed league is the long term goal of American owners and one or two others. Remember it may only need 14 votes to carry through.

Which clubs have the biggest wage bills in Pl? Why? Do they really want a wage cap?

 

[nmc]

Jim Callaghan's government attempted to impose restraint on public sector workers in the winter of 1978-9 and saw his lead in the opinion polls vanish, paving the way for the Conservative victory of May '79. This was not as formal a "pay policy" as that of Heath or Wilson but in the autumn of '78 Healey had announced pay targets with sanctions on employers who gave in to demands exceeding these % target increases! The "winter of discontent was a massive rejection of this policy and the government was holed below the water line.

it’s worth remembering that this era saw a whole plethora of other benefits to circumvent the Incomes Policy. Company Cars, medical insurance... etc. Perhaps United could give De Gea a Krispy Kreme allowance.

 

[dickie davies]

it’s worth remembering that this era saw a whole plethora of other benefits to circumvent the Incomes Policy. Company Cars, medical insurance... etc. Perhaps United could give De Gea a Krispy Kreme allowance.

And Pogba vouchers for a hairdresser

 

[KS55]

it’s worth remembering that this era saw a whole plethora of other benefits to circumvent the Incomes Policy. Company Cars, medical insurance... etc. Perhaps United could give De Gea a Krispy Kreme allowance.

Yes, the firm I worked for kept the hourly rate the same, reduced contracted hours, and paid the difference at o/t rates, thus giving us all a rise which far exceeded the agreed max.

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

If UEFA imposed a salary cap, the clubs will find away around it. This salary cap if introduced will only benefit the clubs from the big 6 countries. It will be of no benefit to the countries like the Czech republic, Iceland etc. This where the players wages are already well below what other parts of Europe.
So what will be the point of a salary cap.

The one and only way around this problem is to have something along the lines of which I call COP. This stands for CAN OWNERS PAY. In other words for example Man UTD. owe millions of pounds to the bank. Should the bank say to Mr Ed Woodward, you now have 2 months to pay of at least 50% of the clubs debt. If this is not possible then we have only 1 choice and that is to withdraw any more finance for the club and to file for bankruptcy.

Any owners taking over a club that is in debt. Will have to show that they have sufficient funds to cover the debt at by X3. This is just in case the banks come calling for their money.

 

[jonmcity]

They are not interested in any fair play or preventing clubs from going bust. It was all to stop us from buying who we liked and stopping the G14 clubs from winning all the competitions, so they could keep the money rolling in.

 

[ganganvince]

Just thought I am sure there was a rule against state aid hence the reason for the dodgy training ground incident. Would furlough money not count as state aid?

 

[M18CTID]

They are not interested in any fair play or preventing clubs from going bust. It was all to stop us from buying who we liked and stopping the G14 clubs from winning all the competitions, so they could keep the money rolling in.

With a bit of luck, some of those clubs behind this will go bust themselves. Now I know that's not a very charitable thing to say at a time like this, but fuck it - the fact that they even contemplated interfering with something that's none of their business during a global pandemic shows that they deserve everything they fucking get, and that includes any fuckwit supporters who backed their clubs on this.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

With a bit of luck, some of those clubs behind this will go bust themselves. Now I know that's not a very charitable thing to say at a time like this, but fuck it - the fact that they even contemplated interfering with something that's none of their business during a global pandemic shows that they deserve everything they fucking get, and that includes any fuckwit supporters who backed their clubs on this.

Indeed they'd be no tears if the boss did become board & we were fucked.

Do unto others etc