Correct. They don't have to audit our FFP compliance, just that our accounts show a 'true and fair' view. They will have formed a view on whether Etihad & the other Abu Dhabi companies are related parties however and they clearly accepted they weren't. If not then the'market value' test isn't applicable.Quite. I don''t see what the auditors could be caught out by.
Assuming they have the proof of three payments from Sponsors A, B and C, it's of no interest to them where the money may have come from before getting to B and C.
And as fans, whenever we’re back, don’t just vent our vengeance on UEFA. Let the cartel know that we’re on to them.When the hearing comes, we as a club have got to make sure that CAS, see that UEFA were forced to do this. Only because the cartel clubs would have broken away and made up their own league. If we did this and won our case, not only will UEFA be damaged, but also all the cartel clubs as well.
It’s not UEFA and the Cartel who are being charged though, it’s us. Doesn’t matter what we have on them because it’s not that that’s being looked at.
We just have to prove that we either did nothing wrong or that, if we did do something wrong, we can hold up the claim the information was obtained illegally and can’t be used against us. Or the charge is upheld.
Then the case with CAS is closed and that’s the end of it with them and we have to go to court with it. Even there nothing against UEFA and the Cartel will be looked at.
As I said yesterday, if the PL is planning on a resumption just after the CAS hearing, that's the perfect time to unleash the shit storm.
Great attitude Bill. I always fear the worst with City, the late 80/90s ensured that.
How would you or any of us possibly know. We have no idea whats happening behind the scenes, we don’t play out in the public eye. Doubt those that do business with our owners think they are a soft touch.There will be no shit storm we're to soft
I would like to think otherwise but sadly you could be spot onThere will be no shit storm we're to soft
Glass half full Frank..!
The way I see it is, i've got to trust what our Club is and has been saying for some considerable amount of time now..
Not only that but Pep has been given assurances by the Chairman that we are innocent of all charges and Pep has then in turn passed these assurances onto the players..
I've got to believe that our Club wouldn't be publicly saying these things if we weren't 100% sure of where we stand..
Could we still get found guilty by UEFA..? with their track record, reality is, who knows..!
That's the only grey area for me..!
I suspect that if cas find in our favour, it will be on the procedural breaches from uefa and not on the substantive issues of ffp’s lawfulness.One thing keeps niggling away at me. When the original sanction was handed out in February the club released a statement in which they said they would "pursue an impartial judgment as quickly as possible and will therefore, in the first instance, commence proceedings with the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity. "
It's the bit in bold that worries me, does this mean that the club are fully aware of the landscape and know this is merely the second phase of a long drawn out process that hopefully sees us exonerated.
I have heard a small number of journos and a sprinkling of posters on this thread express the belief that we are in this for the longhaul and that this may infact end up being taken to the Swiss federal supreme Court. If this is so then we need to be prepared for the original decision to be upheld by CAS and the subsequent distress, worry and turmoil that will no doubt come our way.
Just a thought. Sorry!
The landscape has changed. We know we're facing what could be an existential threat now.There will be no shit storm we're to soft
The landscape has changed. We know we're facing what could be an existential threat now.
I'm no lawyer but would it not be prudent to use just enough ammo to win what we decide is our objective?The landscape has changed. We know we're facing what could be an existential threat now.
Would it get reported though? Those ****s could hide a hippo underneath a jay cloth.As I said yesterday, if the PL is planning on a resumption just after the CAS hearing, that's the perfect time to unleash the shit storm.
I think you need to look at the UEFA process with respect to FFP as you clearly are a little confused as to how it works You also need to catch up on the statements that City made along the way as to their dissatisfaction especially in context of the chief investigator You should also consider the time line and how the IC rushes their verdict to stay inside the 5 year time limit for reinvestigation of a previously agreed caseSure.
But it seems clear enough we do have a case to answer. The emails were damaging, if at best just stupid levels of bravado. It did raise suspicions though, because for most of the empty heads in Europe we were a club with no history that suddenly came from no previous domestic or European standing and dared to challenge the elite and take their lunch money away. We also dared to do it with owners that have no history in European football because they weren’t white or latterly American.
We also don’t know what our dossier of indisputable evidence was, but for one judge, and not some absolute no mark, it wasn’t enough.
Maybe that guy was pressured into a decision? Maybe it all boils down to a grey area of the regulations and he opted one side and not the other? No one on here would know for sure. I doubt anyone at City really knows either, for absolute certainty, because it looks like it is coming down to how the set of rules we signed up to should be interpreted... and a bunch of top legal people are going to submit substantial dossiers arguing one way and the other and this time three judges will decide rather than one.
So all I’m saying, in contrast to some other voices, is that there are clearly reasons not to feel completely confident about all this, even if that’s not entirely popular or what I want to happen, because we have gone through two processes thus far and at neither juncture got the result we wanted.
We can’t really afford to lose, because it seems from reasonably well briefed media that could open a very serious can of worms related to our accounting practices and even potentially impact on previous domestic honours. That, if the worst does happen, doesn’t seem overly far fetched.
Fingers and toes crossed we win.... because I’d like to go back to a point where I can just watch my team play and whinge away solely because of some terrible player performance or refereeing decision and not need to read up on Thai politics, human rights, European financial laws etc. to defend and understand better where the team I support are at in the landscape of football and the face of continued hostility.
There will be no shit storm we're to soft
Better minds than me on here. My only legal knowledge comes from the English Civil Courts and that’s only from the administrative side.
Now I have seen often, very often to be honest, cases that were totally in a state of logjam suddenly settling ‘on the steps’ so to speak. Now my question is could this happen In our case? A carefully worded statement from both parties? I actually asked a Judge, an Evertonian, this question and he didn’t know, to be fair he does specialise in insolvency law, might ask him about yoonited next week!
That's if there still in business next weekBetter minds than me on here. My only legal knowledge comes from the English Civil Courts and that’s only from the administrative side.
Now I have seen often, very often to be honest, cases that were totally in a state of logjam suddenly settling ‘on the steps’ so to speak. Now my question is could this happen In our case? A carefully worded statement from both parties? I actually asked a Judge, an Evertonian, this question and he didn’t know, to be fair he does specialise in insolvency law, might ask him about yoonited next week!
Not sure how old you are frank but the early and mid 80’s weren’t much to write home aboutGreat attitude Bill. I always fear the worst with City, the late 80/90s ensured that.