UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[M18CTID]

Good question. I’ve not seen any submissions on the web site but I presume that City would have given clear reasons for the appeal. I expect that all the submitted evidence and reasons for appeal will be examined In turn and only afterwards will each item be considered on its merits to give an overall view. I suspect City would want more than UEFA’s procedures criticised and what would then be sen as getting off on a technicality alla PSG. However, that legal opinion I read pointed to this being City’s strongest case.

Am I right in thinking that CAS only have the power to rule on procedural grounds, and not whether the allegations themselves were groundless? Meaning that we may well get the punishment overturned but if we want full exoneration then we’d have to go to a court of law?

 

[simon23]

If it's anything like similar cases then it could be three months
Taken from this piece

https://ninetythreetwenty.com/blog/...e-ffps-part-deux-the-double-city-do-not-want/


Galatasaray appealed to CAS on 11 March 2016 and on 23 June 2016, CAS announced it was upholding the Adjudicatory Chamber’s decision and dismissed the appeal (https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Media_Release_4492.pdf). This is an interesting example of the possible timetable City can expect.

Thanks for that.

So people expecting a quick decision/resolution on this are completely barking up the wrong tree?

- this could have serious implications around possible transfers (though the window might not officially open till around August anyway due to the season still going on) and we may not find out till near the start of the new season....a lot of uncertain times coming up it seems

 

[ancoats]

The Newcastle takeover is irrelevant to this. If anything, there’s talk of a relaxation of FFP rules due to the Covid-19 outbreak so Newcastle can probably go out and spend a shit load of money regardless, especially as Ashley - despite being an odious fat bastard - has got their accounts in pretty good order with regards to FFP compliance which gives them plenty of leeway to go out and spend big.

relaxation of FFP rules ?
well if that is the case then city build for the next 5 years and spend big and get mbappe at any cost

 

[willipp]

Thanks for that.

So people expecting a quick decision/resolution on this are completely barking up the wrong tree?

- this could have serious implications around possible transfers (though the window might not officially open till around August anyway due to the season still going on) and we may not find out till near the start of the new season....a lot of uncertain times coming up it seems

Lets hope that city are using that exact arguement for a speedy resoluton. 3 months could impact our whole preparations for the next 2 seasons and financial implications could be huge to us.

 

[dadnlad]

Lets hope that city are using that exact arguement for a speedy resoluton. 3 months could impact our whole preparations for the next 2 seasons and financial implications could be huge to us.

that's just what they want, more damaged caused the better

 

[nmc]

Lets hope that city are using that exact arguement for a speedy resoluton. 3 months could impact our whole preparations for the next 2 seasons and financial implications could be huge to us.

i wonder, even if we are exonerated, wether we’d still have grounds for compensation against UEFA for the damage their process has caused us.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Am I right in thinking that CAS only have the power to rule on procedural grounds, and not whether the allegations themselves were groundless? Meaning that we may well get the punishment overturned but if we want full exoneration then we’d have to go to a court of law?

I'm pretty certain they can assess if there is a logical evidence-related error. Otherwise there would be no appeal body for such things.

They can also rule on the strength of any punishment, e.g. whether to halve a ban, or similar.

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

relaxation of FFP rules ?
well if that is the case then city build for the next 5 years and spend big and get mbappe at any cost

Watch them put in a clause that anyone under review in the last decade will be unable to access

But somehow allow psg to do so

 

[ancoats]

Watch them put in a clause that anyone under review in the last decade will be unable to access

But somehow allow psg to do so

uefa and its elite dogs will find a way to stop city ?? what have manchester city ever done to the game of football other than boost and refreshed the game. it was getting stale at the top and the elite winning all the time ? is that really what football is about having a closed shop

funny thing is if uefa and its dogs want a dirty fight then manchester city can fight dirty ? believe me this last one by uefa is a dirty low blow and they wanted city just to just take it and lie down ? well not anymore and this fight is going to be better than any rocky films

 

[KS55]

Am I right in thinking that CAS only have the power to rule on procedural grounds, and not whether the allegations themselves were groundless? Meaning that we may well get the punishment overturned but if we want full exoneration then we’d have to go to a court of law?

No. You are not correct. CAS can rule on substantive issues. Google their rules.
Edit PS See rule 57.

 

[Silva2Aguero]

First time poster. Season ticket holder and long time reader.

We are in very very very good hands for this appeal. Obviously the stakes are high, but we have the best possible representation and that puts us in a great position. We effectively have the legal equivalent of a Vincent Kompany and Sergio Aguero combination to take on UEFA, and I hope we take it to them with gusto!

I have published an article expanding on this in more detail if anyone is interested -

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/manchester-city-fc-vs-uefa-most-important-case-millennium-joshua-levy

 

[journolud]

First time poster. Season ticket holder and long time reader.

We are in very very very good hands for this appeal. Obviously the stakes are high, but we have the best possible representation and that puts us in a great position. We effectively have the legal equivalent of a Vincent Kompany and Sergio Aguero combination to take on UEFA, and I hope we take it to them with gusto!

I have published an article expanding on this in more detail if anyone is interested -

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/manchester-city-fc-vs-uefa-most-important-case-millennium-joshua-levy

I enjoyed reading that, let us know when you post updates. In a way there is no new information until this thing gets underway but I like the cut of your jib.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

If it's anything like similar cases then it could be three months
Taken from this piece

https://ninetythreetwenty.com/blog/...e-ffps-part-deux-the-double-city-do-not-want/


Galatasaray appealed to CAS on 11 March 2016 and on 23 June 2016, CAS announced it was upholding the Adjudicatory Chamber’s decision and dismissed the appeal (https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Media_Release_4492.pdf). This is an interesting example of the possible timetable City can expect.

There was a good point in that blog by Stefan which said it was in everyone's interest: City, UEFA, and CAS to get a quick decision because a delay would increase the chances of legal action from other clubs who believed they had a claim on CL places. They want to avoid disrupting the CL even more than it has already been disrupted by the pandemic. That does seem to make sense so I wouldn't be surprised by quick action.
EDIT: I see Projectriver is now saying mid August for a decision and I wouldn't disagree with that.

 

[WRicko]

No. You are not correct. CAS can rule on substantive issues. Google their rules.
Edit PS See rule 57.

Wait surely that cannot be right does that not mean we could be innocent but found guilt because procedure was followed. e.g lets say the timing issue is not actually an issue i.e. CAS agree with UEFA and lets say that CAS also agree that UEFA looked at all the evidence. but lets say the evidence shows we did nothing wrong Etihad not related party money not from Sheik value not inflated etc etc Then CAS would have to rule in favour of UEFA and against us

 

[EricBrooksGhost]

Thanks for that.

So people expecting a quick decision/resolution on this are completely barking up the wrong tree?

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Why?
The hearing took place at on 16th June and a decision was made on the 23rd.

 

[HelloCity]

First time poster. Season ticket holder and long time reader.

We are in very very very good hands for this appeal. Obviously the stakes are high, but we have the best possible representation and that puts us in a great position. We effectively have the legal equivalent of a Vincent Kompany and Sergio Aguero combination to take on UEFA, and I hope we take it to them with gusto!

I have published an article expanding on this in more detail if anyone is interested -

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/manchester-city-fc-vs-uefa-most-important-case-millennium-joshua-levy

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[Colin Bells Boots]

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[KS55]

Wait surely that cannot be right does that not mean we could be innocent but found guilt because procedure was followed. e.g lets say the timing issue is not actually an issue i.e. CAS agree with UEFA and lets say that CAS also agree that UEFA looked at all the evidence. but lets say the evidence shows we did nothing wrong Etihad not related party money not from Sheik value not inflated etc etc Then CAS would have to rule in favour of UEFA and against us

Eh??
If Uefa rule that we did not infringe FFP, that is the end of it, irrespective of procedural issues.
A separate line of defence may be that Uefa did not follow the correct procedure. If we won that argument, but were found to have infringed FFP, then CAS may give a whole range if judgements from
1) the failure of procedure was so great that the punishment is set aside to
2) the failure of procedure did not substantially infringe our rights, so the punishment stands.
3) plus everything in between, eg a lesser punishment, because our rights were infringed to a certain extent.
Edit PS. There is also the nightmare scenario in which CAS order Uefa to rehear the case, this time obseving correct procedure.

 

[SWP's back]

Am I right in thinking that CAS only have the power to rule on procedural grounds, and not whether the allegations themselves were groundless?

No I don’t think so mate. The pertinent part from their website has been posted before.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Wait surely that cannot be right does that not mean we could be innocent but found guilt because procedure was followed. e.g lets say the timing issue is not actually an issue i.e. CAS agree with UEFA and lets say that CAS also agree that UEFA looked at all the evidence. but lets say the evidence shows we did nothing wrong Etihad not related party money not from Sheik value not inflated etc etc Then CAS would have to rule in favour of UEFA and against us

I'd imagine the sequence of events would be something like:

1. Did UEFA have the right, under their own rules, to re-open the case?
2. Did UEFA have the right, under the 2014 settlement agrement, to re-open the case?
3. If the answer to both the above is 'Yes', then did they correctly follow their own procedural rules for judging this issue?
4. Was the IC judgement made impartially after consideration of all available evidence or was there any impropriety in arriving at that decision?
5. Did the AC follow their prescribed procedural rules in reacing their decision to confirm the decision of the IC or was there any interference in the supposedly independent body?
6. Were we given the opportunity to present ourr side of events at all stages?
7. Does UEFA's case against us have any merit on the basis of the evidence available?

• We will presumably argue strongly that the decisions in 1 & 2 were incorrect and had no legal basis
• I suspect we have something to prove the process in 4 & possibly 5 was flawed. I also reckon we've got our sights heavily on Leterme here, plus we may well have some evidence that there was pressure from some of the G-14 and/or members of the Exco brought to bear to ensure our punishment was as harsh as possible.
• We may well argue that we weren't given sufficient opportunity to present our defence to the CFCB.
• We will presumably argue quite strongly that we haven't broken any rules and that UEFA's evdence, via Der Spiegel, is circumstantial and paints a completely false picture of the situation.

We could win on every one of those points but even winning on one could be enough to see the ban overturned.