UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[I'm no cynic but...]

It's always the matter of timing that bothers me when these matters are made public. Rat smelling becomes overbearing.

 

[kaz7]

Do you feel discredited ?

I still feel elated, don't give a f**k what other football fans feel. Back to back CHAMPIONS 2019.

I didn't mean us fans! i am like a pig in shit,i mean discredits it because we cheated our way to it or so they say,it will be in the record books whatever they say

 

[cleavers]

i mean discredits it because we cheated our way to it or so they say

The only cheats I saw finished 2nd.

 

[kaz7]

The only cheats I saw finished 2nd.

Now that we agree on

 

[The First Earl]

PSG didn't get away.

I'll explain it again.

PSG like City tried to inject some money into their club. However, Qatar was really straightforward when they just decided to put the QTA sponsorship with PSG : 200 M€ for nation branding. It was a new kind of sponsorship, never seen before. UEFA decided to value it at 100 M€ for their calculations.

PSG operates with that budget in mind and buys Neymar and Mbappé.

Then, immediately, UEFA launches an investigation (after the cries of Tebas, Barca, Real, Bayern, Juve, etc.) and decides that the different Qatari contracts are not fair value anymore (because they realized that with those values PSG could buy these types of players from the cartel) and devalue retroactively. Then PSG, instead of being in the green, has a big deficit over the 2015/2016/2017 FFP 3 year calculations.
PSG has 15 days to sell urgently (and at lesser cost) bench players. They managed to do so.
UEFA decides then that those fair values are not fair enough and need more devaluation and PSG win their appeal in CAS thanks to a technicality.

However, the period with Neymar/Mbappé will start to be included in FFP calculation from now. As a consequence, PSG will have to sell again this summer (before 30/07) and will buy afterwards. This is what clubs tight with FFP always do (sell before the end of the financial year and buy just after).
The good thing for PSG (that shows FFP is a joke as well) is that thanks to the investment in Mbappé and Neymar, they got a bigger profile worldwide, despite the mixed results in Champion Leagues. As a matter of fact, they got the Jordan brand deal (15 M+€), ALL main sponsor kit (60/75 M€), new Nike deal (75 M+€), Renault (4/5 M€), recently MHSC (1/2 M€), Unibet. And they are expecting more TV rights the year after when Media Pro money will come in ( starting in 2020/2021). Those deals should cover for the loss of QTA money and make those deals affordable for PSG. Nasser also said they are considering the naming of the Parc des Princes if an offer at an exceptional value was on the table (Accor has asked to be notified if PSG offers those naming right and the Paris municipality only allow a suffixe name like Accor Parc des Princes). PSG is also the club that gets the more money per seat in Europe (thanks to the high end lounges prices). The stadium capacity is a problem though.

All those sponsoring deals wouldn't have been possible without the initial investment (or financial doping) of the owners. So, how exactly is FFP "fair" when it doesn't allow clubs to be able to draw in those sponsoring and marketing deals ? PSG has become one of the best shirt sellers with more than 1 M this year.

I do like your input. Thanks.

 

[BlueAnorak]

So it refers to His Excellency Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak. This is the only option

It does indeed. Simon Pearce would NEVER use an incorrect address for a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family.
From the various snipets of information in the published hacked emails and the Etihad deposition in the US I'm fairly sure that His Highness was acting as guarantor for the Etihad Sponsorship if Etihad had financial problems as a result of problems with US regulators. It certainly wasn't being paid by Sheikh Mansour. This is purely down to Etihad internal governance as His Excellency owns Etihad. It does not in any way breach FFP Related Party issues.

 

[jrb]

Here’s one for you.

What’s worse, City sacking Mancini on FA Cup Final Day, or the NYT and UEFA attacking City on FA Cup Final Week?

If there’s one thing I will never forgive our owner and the club for, it was sacking Mancini on that Day.

 

[hello]

PSG didn't get away.

I'll explain it again.

PSG like City tried to inject some money into their club. However, Qatar was really straightforward when they just decided to put the QTA sponsorship with PSG : 200 M€ for nation branding. It was a new kind of sponsorship, never seen before. UEFA decided to value it at 100 M€ for their calculations.

PSG operates with that budget in mind and buys Neymar and Mbappé.

Then, immediately, UEFA launches an investigation (after the cries of Tebas, Barca, Real, Bayern, Juve, etc.) and decides that the different Qatari contracts are not fair value anymore (because they realized that with those values PSG could buy these types of players from the cartel) and devalue retroactively. Then PSG, instead of being in the green, has a big deficit over the 2015/2016/2017 FFP 3 year calculations.
PSG has 15 days to sell urgently (and at lesser cost) bench players. They managed to do so.
UEFA decides then that those fair values are not fair enough and need more devaluation and PSG win their appeal in CAS thanks to a technicality.

However, the period with Neymar/Mbappé will start to be included in FFP calculation from now. As a consequence, PSG will have to sell again this summer (before 30/07) and will buy afterwards. This is what clubs tight with FFP always do (sell before the end of the financial year and buy just after).
The good thing for PSG (that shows FFP is a joke as well) is that thanks to the investment in Mbappé and Neymar, they got a bigger profile worldwide, despite the mixed results in Champion Leagues. As a matter of fact, they got the Jordan brand deal (15 M+€), ALL main sponsor kit (60/75 M€), new Nike deal (75 M+€), Renault (4/5 M€), recently MHSC (1/2 M€), Unibet. And they are expecting more TV rights the year after when Media Pro money will come in ( starting in 2020/2021). Those deals should cover for the loss of QTA money and make those deals affordable for PSG. Nasser also said they are considering the naming of the Parc des Princes if an offer at an exceptional value was on the table (Accor has asked to be notified if PSG offers those naming right and the Paris municipality only allow a prefixe name like Accor Parc des Princes). PSG is also the club that gets the more money per seat in Europe (thanks to the high end lounges prices). The stadium capacity is a problem though.

All those sponsoring deals wouldn't have been possible without the initial investment (or financial doping) of the owners. So, how exactly is FFP "fair" when it doesn't allow clubs to be able to draw in those sponsoring and marketing deals ? PSG has become one of the best shirt sellers with more than 1 M this year.

The Jordan shirt branding deal was master stroke tbf, made you unique, got you away from the shit nike kits and with the big name shirt personalisation's must have made psg an absolute killing.

 

[Barcon]

Here’s one for you.

What worse, City sacking Mancini on FA Cup Final Day, or the NYT and UEFA attacking City on FA Cup Final Week?

If there’s one thing I will never forgive our owner and the club for, it was sacking Mancini on that Day.

That never happened.

 

[Metalartin]

I was under the impression the assumption made by Der Speigel was that it said HH was referring to Sheikh Mansour, which was incorrect because it would most likely be the crown prince(H.H Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed bin Sultan Al-Nahyan) that would "secure funds", or whatever phrase they used that got them so excited.

Khaldoon has to be a related party as our chairman but he can't be securing the funds from his own accounts. Also if his excellency can only be him, these investigators will look very amateurish if this ever goes to court, for not knowing that.