UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Kenward Garg]

Ric accepts any fcuker as long as their bribes are untraceable.

Ha! The PGMOL say hello.

 

[BluechesterCity]

As Mark Stephens, a top UK lawyer, has said today: "Interestingly there is no precedent for UEFA second guessing what is the correct amount for commercial sponsorship deals."

Can anyone enlighten me on the mechanism that UEFA uses to assess "market value"? Is it a scientific formula? Equally, isn't the value of a sponsorship what it's worth to the sponsor rather than the sponsored?

This is an excellent point and one that I am sure the lawyers for City will exploit. At the start of the sponsorship it may have looked like a lot of money but after 10 years the deal has seen Etihad get a huge amount of promotion and exposure from its relationship with Man City and CFG. I'm sure that Etihad themselves would say that they got a more than their money's worth out of the sponsorship deal.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Just caught me on the way out to the Brexit thread
I thought UEFA just sneaked the first committee's recommendation through in time to meet the five year deadline?
If what you say is true then City are arguing on principles as opposed to detailed evidence?
But that seems contrary to Khaldoon's reference to City having detailed information as to the club's 'innocence'?

Re the sneaking it through, you may be right as I didn’t quite catch that fully as I was getting ready to go for lunch but from what I took from it, some(maybe not all) of the alleged wrongdoings took place over 5 years ago but as UEFA have lumped it all in to one rather than detailed infringements it may be a point City could win on

With regards City having evidence, they might just be saying that but evidence would be presented if you can’t get it kicked out

If I was accused of something and my alibi was I was shagging a bit on the side then I’d rather try and get the case dismissed rather than be found not guilty and face the wrath of Mrs Hef I.e repetitional damage

 

[BosnianBlue]

https://apple.news/AcvKf8csaNCKEbm8UNOh3IA

Piece in the Guardian that is well written. Buckle up boys and girls, this is going to get interesting.

bang on.

"But the ramifications could still be seismic. What if City spend their two years out of Uefa competition playing lucrative friendlies around the world? What if they show that you don’t actually need Uefa and its (already barely significant) concerns for smaller clubs to thrive?"

 

[BlueRain]

I broadly agree with what you are saying but I think we can safely say that at this stage FFP is not in the dock and not at all up for discussion at CAS

I listened to the 93:20 pod* and from what was said on there and from what appears to have come out City are not arguing the rights/wrongs as they don’t believe they have to. City will argue 1) the time period of any alleged wrong doing is covered in the previous settlement and also 2) even if it’s not, UEFA’s own statue of limitations of 5 years prevents them from investigating, never mind charging and sentencing a club

City appear to be in this for all or nothing. City better be right!

I find it inconceivable that a club this big with the recourses they have to be this wrong. Putting to one side the rather unprofessional and crass emails, the rules are the rules and the settlement, time periods etc should have been fully understood by anyone at the club with any dealings with the legal and financial matters.

I think UEFA have pushed this due to political pressure and hoped City would fold, come to the table and negotiate this out. City in their belief didn’t need to because they think they are in the right but there are plenty of people sat in prison who ‘believed’ they did no wrong

Like I said, City better be right.....

*well worth the subscription fee

Thanks for the clarification, and I agree City and their top lawyers better have their sh*t together ;) We're not going to come out of this smelling of roses no matter what happens but the I don't care that much what the dipper media say, the financial implications of being banned from the CL though could set us back a LONG LONG way

It would indeed, my point being there are certain standards bigger than any institution.

You’d agree that UEFA could, should and would be prosecuted if they operated a ”whites only” policy? Well maybe, just maybe, anti-competitive practices could run foul of EU law if seriously put to the test.

Oh I hope so... Nothing would please me more than UEFA having to backtrack on this, can you imagine the number of "brown trouser" moments when they get the court papers?

 

[city saint]

We're not playing friendlies in place of the CL. Come on. Unrealistic for all the reasons you mention and then some.

no but we could have a very lucrative tournament in the close season like a world club championship say also backed by fifa

 

[remember arthur mann]

bang on.

"But the ramifications could still be seismic. What if City spend their two years out of Uefa competition playing lucrative friendlies around the world? What if they show that you don’t actually need Uefa and its (already barely significant) concerns for smaller clubs to thrive?"

No way, Gill and his cronies will introduce a new rule where to compete in the league etc, no money making friendlies allowed !

 

[Manc in London]

one of my mates is a business lawyer and says hes amazed by how many hr departments dont know the law.so possibly UEFA are so crap they keep running into trouble

HR departments know the law. It is usually senior management who act against the advice. Between mydelf and my missus, we have had near 30 year experience of working in HR to know that is the case.

I am currently avoiding pretty much all media as I know our 'friends' in the press (Delaney, Herbert et al.) will no doubt be milking this as much as they can.

 

[tonea2003]

No, guilty as charged. The heinous crime of our owner investing in the club in exactly the same way as our rivals.

a watershed moment george you agreeing with me :-)))

 

[city saint]

no but we could have a very lucrative tournament in the close season like a world club championship say also backed by fifa

I also think that some talks have taken place about a world club championship as was leaked a while ago and this is also partly what UEFA are pissed off about