UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[bobbyowenquiff]

I've met rocks with more brains than Simon Jordan. How he ran a football club I'll never know.

Well he ran a club into the ground leaving scores of people out of pocket.

 

[Stockton Heath Blue]

Gary Neville is right. FFP is entirely the wrong way to assess and monitor financial stability. When people say it wasn't designed to stop investment by owners like Sheikh Mansour, that's EXACTLY what it does and appears to be designed to do. What it should be doing is making sure investment is responsible and sustainable. Just looking at the P&L account and adding back or subtracting a few miliion here and there simply doesn't come close to achieving that.

The classic example of FFP is that you can have a club that makes a great profit, say £30m, in one year, then the owner starts to run it irresponsibly and it just breaks even the next. Finally. in the third year, it makes a £30m loss. That club would pass FFP yet just a cursory glance at the trend of the bottom line should be ringing alarm bells.

Too true. You only have to look at some of the retail giants that are now struggling - analysed over the last 3/4 years would see them pass FFP but the trends over the same 3/4 years paint a worrying picture.

 

[SebastianBlue]

sorry If already mentioned but @Karen got quoted lol

Already in the Media Thread, girlbob. :-)

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/media-thread-2019-20.340912/page-937#post-12447843

 

[supercity88]

Adrian Durham (sp?) On talksport fully backing City earlier. Was good to hear. Slagging the rags and dippers off and getting to the true heart of FFP and it being about protecting the few at the expense of competition. Goughy agreeing.

Then Neville saying that?! Wow. For any of us who have been to the swamp and seen him goading us, the 4-3 game stands out for me where he was really being a dick to us...I couldn't have hated anyone more...but as a pundit I can only say he is a rare example of a great knowledge and assessment of the game and impartiality. Yes he hates us and loves the rags but he doesn't let that impact his opinion. I wouldn't be able to swallow my feelings towards the rags.

The fact Liverpool are doing well and we are the only team that could stop them, and he hates them more, probably softens his view mind.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Sir Alex Ferguson, Martin Tyler & Jamie Carragher.

Is Tyler the ‘independent’ one on account of the fact that it might be Niall Quinn?

 

[Proy]

Gary Neville is right. FFP is entirely the wrong way to assess and monitor financial stability. When people say it wasn't designed to stop investment by owners like Sheikh Mansour, that's EXACTLY what it does and appears to be designed to do. What it should be doing is making sure investment is responsible and sustainable. Just looking at the P&L account and adding back or subtracting a few miliion here and there simply doesn't come close to achieving that.

The classic example of FFP is that you can have a club that makes a great profit, say £30m, in one year, then the owner starts to run it irresponsibly and it just breaks even the next. Finally. in the third year, it makes a £30m loss. That club would pass FFP yet just a cursory glance at the trend of the bottom line should be ringing alarm bells.

The policy of FFP in itself wouldn’t stand up in any legitimate business or sector outside of football.

I think it is critical we get this case into an actual court and challenge the policy of FFP itself rather than ‘have we broke the FFP rules’ because ultimately that is what we are being charged with. We can get UEFA for diligence/policy and unfair process through CAS and likely see a reduced sentence, seeing as they don’t rule on FFP itself.

But that’s not the real fight. The real fight is as above and the part of the statement that refers to CAS as ‘the first instance’ gives me great confidence that we will do just that.

This whole mess is one last swing from a boxer who knows he is beaten.

If they win this case (UEFA), I will be genuinely done with this game. I would prefer to back in league one where non of their status quo bullshit will hurt us.

Conversley, if we have been bending rules, and I don’t mean against FFP, I mean in respect of our owners ultimately running an unprofessional model that isn’t sustainable in normal working conditions, then I’ll swallow that. We will deserve everything that comes to us.

But we all know it ain’t that and justice must surely fucking serve in this case because we deserve it.

It’s going to be a hell of a jaunt over the next year or 2 but I’m fucking certain we will win it.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I agree but that line of defence won’t help City at this stage or will it?

No but it shows up FFP for the nonsense it is.

 

[abu13]

I've done 3 in the last 3 days. Bolt From The Blue is my usual home, I did Ian Cheeseman's Forever Blue on Sunday, where we mainly talked about home game issues but I did a 10-minute vlog beforehand on this, and I've just come off the Man City Show. All are always worth listening to.

Thanks for that, i'll have a listen.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I agree but that line of defence won’t help City at this stage or will it?

It might help to reduce the negative tide in the media a bit. That would be good for our morale if nothing else.

 

[FightLikeAGirl]

I see what you mean about the Athletic, good G-d. They can't seriously take your titles away?