UK far right trouble

KDB Fan said:
An opinion piece that references individual cases.

And the state locking people up and throwing every resource at trying to get someone convicted isn't an example of state crackdown on speech because a jury acquitted the defendant? Okay mate.

Please see the link above too.

Also, some more cases that took me 30 seconds to find all within the space of a week in court:

Self-styled paedophile-hunter, Phillip Hoban, who claims to be partly responsible for putting 440 sex offenders behind bars for his work with Predator Exposure UK, which carries out stings on would-be sex offenders who have sent sickening messages to one of their "decoy" profiles pretending to be children, run by themselves or colleagues. But for Hoban, thanks to the social media he has carefully nurtured to catch criminals, he is now the one behind bars. Despite claiming to police that he was not shouting: "Who the f*** is Allah?" And was actually shouting: "Who the f*** is Alan?" Hoban eventually admitted racially aggravated intentional harassment/alarm/distress by using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour or disorderly behaviour. He was jailed for eight months on Thursday, August 15. Unable to afford a barrister, Hoban represented himself and told Recorder of Leeds Judge Guy Kearl KC that he is "not racist" and it "kills him inside" for people to think that. He said he is mixed race and had made a public apology on his TikTok account.

Mark Bowen, 40, of no fixed address, was heard shouting at police: “Shame on you, you horrible c****, I hope it’s your f****** kids next mate”. Judge Moira Macmillan, referring to the comments Bowen made to officers, told him: “It was a despicable thing for you to say. He was jailed for over 2 years at Bristol Crown Court.

Kevin Searle, a father-of-one who poured a can of cider over a police officer during a protest in Weymouth has been jailed for 21 months. Kevin Searle, of Weymouth, Dorset, pleaded guilty to violent disorder and assault by beating of an emergency worker during the demonstration on August 4.

A house husband was locked up for 18 months for violent disorder for taking part in a “far-right” protest in Weymouth despite the efforts of his wife to coax him away. Father-of-three Ian Vetier, of Weymouth, pleaded guilty to the offence at Bournemouth Crown Court in relation to the demonstration on August 4. He added: "One of those males was identified as Ian Vetier and he is noticeable as he is one of a few males who was shirtless and was holding a Union Jack flag in his right hand.” He added: “Mr Vetier can be seen and heard shouting ‘It’s a free country mate’, and a little later he was saying words to this effect: ‘You f****** wrong ‘un, back them f****** ragheads, c**** mate, the lot of them." The protest group then started chanting collectively ‘Who the f*** is Allah?’

Michael Whitehead, 27, admitted violent disorder and was sentenced to two years and eight months, after shouting “you’re not fit to wear the badge” at police officers guarding a hotel housing asylum seekers which was being attacked in Rotherham at Sheffield Crown Court, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has confirmed.


There's probably examples of above that involve more than just speech crimes but the bottom line is, you'd have to have your head pretty far down in the sand to pretend there's not been a huge offensive by the state to convict people for speech crimes after the Southport unrest for political purposes.
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One of your examples poured cider over a copper and assaulted an emergency worker. Kevin .
 
stonerblue said:
One of your examples poured cider over a copper and assaulted an emergency worker. Kevin .
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Yep the pouring of cider should be an offence in my opinion, that was just copied over with the rest of the article that proved people are getting locked up for speech offences. The ridiculous thing though was that he got 21 months for it!
 
KDB Fan said:
Same thing mate. Doesn't matter whether they're racial or not, the point is it's an absolute fact that chanting can get you sent to prison in this country.
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It's clearly not the same thing, though, is it. As I've just explained very slowly and clearly. There's chanting and there's chanting racist slurs. If chanting by itself was an arrestable offence you'd have far more football fans in prison. If I was walking down the street chanting racist slurs I would probably expect a police officer to ask what the fuck I'm doing, just like how if I called you a **** on here I'd anticipate one of the moderators coming in to ban me. But then again, if I was the kind of person who'd walk down the street shouting racist things I'd probably be oblivious or nonchalant at the prospect of being arrested. But I can see from other conversations you're having in this thread that talking to you is like trying to argue with the wall, so.
 
west didsblue said:
“pleaded guilty to causing racially aggravated harassment, alarm or distress”
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Yep another of many offences that chanting will get you convicted and go to prison for if the substance of the chant is deemed to be racially aggravated. Here's another link of a separate case: https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/man-jailed-racist-chants-near-liverpool-crown-court

Now you can argue it should/shouldn't be an imprisonable offence but I think it's time to stop being daft about whether people have gone to prison for it or not.
 
youngbob said:
It's clearly not the same thing, though, is it. As I've just explained very slowly and clearly. There's chanting and there's chanting racist slurs. If chanting by itself was an arrestable offence you'd have far more football fans in prison. If I was walking down the street chanting racist slurs I would probably expect a police officer to ask what the fuck I'm doing, just like how if I called you a **** on here I'd anticipate one of the moderators coming in to ban me. But then again, if I was the kind of person who'd walk down the street shouting racist things I'd probably be oblivious or nonchalant at the prospect of being arrested. But I can see from other conversations you're having in this thread that talking to you is like trying to argue with the wall, so.
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Okay mate. No-one's said chanting 'bluemoon' will get you sent down. I made it very clear with the use of the word 'can' in my earlier post that it depends on the substance of what's said that affects whether you are likely to be arrested or not otherwise prisons would just be full of singers and like an opera house. Can't believe I'm having to explain that but here we are.
 
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