UK far right trouble

Where could you possibly be reading accurate information about that sort of thing? You think the Russian government are keeping and publishing accurate statistics of how many people get arrested for posting things they disagree with?

There were literally videos at the start of the war of Russians standing with blank signs just to see if they'd get bundled into a police van. They did. Within moments.

I read it from the previous poster I quoted but I thought for the same reasons as you that it might be hard to make a reliable comparison.

I know, those videos are shocking. But it's also shocking what we're doing in this country when we used to be global champions of free speech. I detest the fact that we're going down the Soviet/Russian model of policing information.
 
I read it from the previous poster I quoted but I thought for the same reasons as you that it might be hard to make a reliable comparison.

I know, those videos are shocking. But it's also shocking what we're doing in this country when we used to be global champions of free speech. I detest the fact that we're going down the Soviet/Russian model of policing information.

Are you Banned Tosspot in disguise?
 
It's all about management of the population. Ideally yes, everyone should be treated equally but sometimes pragmatism dictates that a situation is more easily diffused by dealing more promptly/ harshly with some than others.

I think you mean the symptoms of certain grievances are dealt with more harshly, because the grievances themselves are either beyond solution, not recognised as "valid" grievances at all, or are considered hateful.

Case in point, if you believe in multicultural Britain, which everyone it seems is required to do, then there is no dominant British culture, there can't be, or a prevailing English culture for that matter, because there are no indigenous Brits, and as there's no indigenous Brits, there's no such thing as an indigenous culture (cherishing ones culture is the exclusive preserve of ethnic minorities). Britain is a multi-cultural, multi ethnic society where everything is whatever and there's no need for ethnic minorities to integrate, or as the left like to call them the "global majority", coz there's nowt to integrate with.

Anyone who disagrees is a racist. So those who believe there is an indigenous population and there is an indigenous culture and seek to embrace it, to promote it and defend it, are flummoxed, what to do? The left despises them and the right exploit them, hijacking their discontentment for their own ends.

Clowns to the left of me....

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Jokers to the right....

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But could that not be used to persecute Muslims and people who believe in open borders as well as their opponents? Some might say there needs to be 'management of the population' due to the volume of terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic extremists in the UK but that could quite easily lead to a situation like in China (and other countries) where many Muslims are persecuted and punished for minor infractions/crime and end up behind bars for years sentenced more for their beliefs than what they've actually done.
I suppose it all comes down to a dynamic risk assessment of the situation you are currently faced with. It seems that the govt and law enforcement felt the likelihood of RW protesters burning down a hotel full of immigrants was more immediate and likely than an islamist terror attack.

It does worry me that although it serves the glee of the liberal / left to see news of yet another sentencing of an august rioter we may be repeating the mistake we made when we incarcerated a load of Islamic extremists together and inadvertantly created centers if further radicalisation to rival those of Afghanistan.
I doubt those locked up for events this summer are going to emerge from prison any less extreme than when they went in.
 
Thought, but kept it to yourself, and then quoted it as if it was true?

A - does it matter? He and I were both making a broader point.
B - did you read my post? I clearly wrote 'if that's true' next to it.

When I read that we have more people arrested/imprisoned for social media posts than Russia (if that's true) personally I think that's shameful.

Also, just because you can't provide a reliable comparison to something doesn't make it false e.g. there are more atoms in the universe than the number of times people have touched their toes.
 
It does worry me that although it serves the glee of the liberal / left to see news of yet another sentencing of an august rioter we may be repeating the mistake we made when we incarcerated a load of Islamic extremists together and inadvertantly created centers if further radicalisation to rival those of Afghanistan.
I doubt those locked up for events this summer are going to emerge from prison any less extreme than when they went in.

This paragraph is a good point and why I don't think you can arrest your way out of a political crisis. So many regimes have tried it over the years and while you might get temporary order, it doesn't change anybody's mind about the truth or justice of a situation and the vast majority of these regimes collapse and the truth does eventually come out. Meanwhile, the political prisoners you've arrested become radicalised and become even more of a threat later down the line.
 
Political prisoners now. This is getting weirder by the day

People framing it like that are genuinely in need of help in understanding the reality of what constitutes a political prisoner and where they are held and how the UK criminal justice system works and when some still continue down the road maybe sectioning because they do an injustice to actual political prisoners - for example the 35 Palestinian children arrested and held without charge by Israel and thats only since September of this year there are many more.

Some middle class housewife urging people on-line to burn hotels and kill the people inside ( some of whom would be English working there ) and saying that if that makes her a racist and getting jail is not a political prisoner she is a racists **** - by her own admission
 
People framing it like that are genuinely in need of help in understanding the reality of what constitutes a political prisoner and where they are held and how the UK criminal justice system works and when some still continue down the road maybe sectioning because they do an injustice to actual political prisoners - for example the 35 Palestinian children arrested and held without charge by Israel and thats only since September of this year there are many more.

Some middle class housewife urging people on-line to burn hotels and kill the people inside ( some of whom would be English working there ) and saying that if that makes her a racist and getting jail is not a political prisoner she is a racists **** - by her own admission
Im not going to get involved in a debate about the middle east conflict
 

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