UK far right trouble

[meltonblue]

Yeah I saw what the magistrate had written but realised it was a load of nonsense:



"I was just going hunting, your honour".

The spokesperson tried defending the indefensible. He was never gonna come out and say 'yep we've gone rogue against Parliament's wishes but so what'.


As for the case you posted, I can't really answer whether the judge has sentenced the defendant more harshly in relation to somebody who committed the same offence against a white offender for example, which is the crux of what the two-tier policing allegations centre on. If you can find me a comparable case then I might be inclined to change my mind? I've found a case where somebody has clearly incited hate, violence, and murder but no evidence that he was arrested, let alone sentenced to the same length of offence.

Rapper encourages the BEHEADING of Nigel Farage in sick music video

A RAPPER has released a music video calling for the decapitation of Nigel Farage and a host of other famous British figures.

www.express.co.uk

Also, on a general point, when I said most cases don't fit the sentencing criteria as if it's 'a simple, mathematical process', that's because there is a huge amount of discretion built into the rules. Sentencing isn't a science and as much as judges try and invoke the rules to sound like it is, it's not. Hence why you get wildly different sentences for the same offence.

No, you’ve found a case of a satirist mocking Islamic extremism that the Mail initially reported on inaccurately, had an IPSO complaint upheld against them and were forced to delete the article and issue an apology.

Resolution statement 09371-16 Boaler v Mail Online - IPSO

Mr Robert Boaler complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation that the Mail Online breached Clause 1 (Accuracy) and Clause 12 (Discrimination) of the Editors’ Code of Practice in an article headlined “’Off with their heads’: Islamic extremist rapper calls for death of former Ukip...

www.ipso.co.uk

 

[meltonblue]

Again, find me a comparable case...

The argument was about the sentencing guidelines, I asked you which bit you disagreed with in comparison to the guidelines?

 

[KDB Fan]

No, you’ve found a case of a satirist mocking Islamic extremism that the Mail initially reported on inaccurately, had an IPSO complaint upheld against them and were forced to delete the article and issue an apology.

Resolution statement 09371-16 Boaler v Mail Online - IPSO

Mr Robert Boaler complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation that the Mail Online breached Clause 1 (Accuracy) and Clause 12 (Discrimination) of the Editors’ Code of Practice in an article headlined “’Off with their heads’: Islamic extremist rapper calls for death of former Ukip...

www.ipso.co.uk

Okay, I'm sure this one was satire so why don't you find me another one where the sentencing guidelines were applied equally regardless of ethnicity of the offender in relation to inciting violence against white people?

Most of the ones I come across don't even get prosecuted like the case of my old MP, Simon Danczuk, who was called a white devil/bastard and threatened with a bullet in his head.

Greater Manchester Police launched an investigation and a man was arrested in February but Mr Danczuk – who represented Rochdale for Labour from 2010 to 2017 – is alarmed there has not yet been a prosecution.

Mr Danczuk said: “This must be the easiest crime to solve in the history of policing, yet we’ve seen no prosecution of the perpetrator.”

He said that if the “tables were reversed” and he had made a similar threat “not only would I have been prosecuted by now, but I’d also be in prison”.

Turning his gaze on Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham, he said: “Why does the Labour Mayor of Greater Manchester, and his Labour deputy for policing, accept this two-tier policing approach?”

Reform UK candidate attacks 'two-tier' policing after alleged death threat

Simon Danczuk is alarmed there has still been no prosecution

www.express.co.uk

 

[KDB Fan]

The argument was about the sentencing guidelines, I asked you which bit you disagreed with in comparison to the guidelines?

As part of a broader discussion of a two-tier justice system.

If you can show me cases like Lucy Connelly where the sentencing guidelines were applied in a similar way to her case to a defendant of different ethnicity in relation to stirring up anti-white hatred then I'll put some stock into your argument that sentences are 'entirely based on the rules and the sentencing guidelines', and not politically motivated.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

@KDB Fan

Birmingham man jailed for Telegram race hate posts amid riots

Ehsan Hussain used a fake name to send "vile" racist messages on the messaging app, a court hears.

www.google.com

 

[inbetween]

As part of a broader discussion of a two-tier justice system.

If you can show me cases like Lucy Connelly where the sentencing guidelines were applied in a similar way to her case to a defendant of different ethnicity then I'll put some stock into your argument that sentences are 'entirely based on the rules and the sentencing guidelines', and not politically motivated.

Feel free to read the summary from the judge as to how the sentencing guidelines were applied. It includes what was actually said.

Where do you disagree?

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Connollysentence.pdf

 

[meltonblue]

As part of a broader discussion of a two-tier justice system.

If you can show me cases like Lucy Connelly where the sentencing guidelines were applied in a similar way to her case to a defendant of different ethnicity in relation to stirring up anti-white hatred then I'll put some stock into your argument that sentences are 'entirely based on the rules and the sentencing guidelines', and not politically motivated.

Find me one that’s not, you’re the one saying the sentencing guidelines aren’t being applied consistently! It’s still not the question I’m putting to you though. I gave you the sentencing guidelines and the judgement on Connelly as well as another one, what in either of the judgments do you disagree with in terms of the application of the sentencing guidelines?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Hilarious that anyone would think there’s some sort of organised conspiracy regarding sentencing when it came to the riots.

The primary function of the courts is to uphold the rule of law, deter future offending and act in a way that is just in the circumstances. And the need to do justice isn’t just directed at defendants but wider society.

The courts, like the police and local authorities (for example) are very much part of the establishment (how could they not be?). They will instinctively want to protect the status quo. This isn’t unique to this country.

When order is breaking down (or is in danger of so doing) then in its position as part of the establishment, the court is going to act swiftly, decisively and maybe harshly in order to uphold the rule of law and deter others.

It’s an involuntary reflex rather than anything that involves coercion or express direction.

It’s simply an organ of the state acting naturally to maintain a level of order in society and send a clear message out.

Which the courts unquestionably did.

They're either being thick or disingenuous.

 

[KDB Fan]

Find me one that’s not, you’re the one saying the sentencing guidelines aren’t being applied consistently! It’s still not the question I’m putting to you though. I gave you the sentencing guidelines and the judgement on Connelly as well as another one, what in either of the judgments do you disagree with in terms of the application of the sentencing guidelines?

I've tried to and told you that I can't find one because the justice system doesn't seem to investigate crimes where anti-white violence/murder is incited which ties in with the broader point that the UK justice system is two-tier. The Simon Danczuk case supports that.

If you can find one then we can compare to see if they've got a similar length of sentence to Julie Connelly (2 and a half years) and/or Tyler Kay (3 and a half years)?

If not, then we can look at other crimes like knife crime offending where some people get heavy custodial sentences or let off completely to see whether judges have any discretion in their sentencing which, it appears, they do.

It seems like they're called 'guidelines' for a reason.


On a separate note, can I ask what sentence do you think the offender in the Simon Danczuk death threat case should get?

 

[BlueHammer85]

As for the case you posted, I can't really answer whether the judge has sentenced the defendant more harshly in relation to somebody who committed the same offence against a white offender for example, which is the crux of what the two-tier policing allegations centre on. If you can find me a comparable case then I might be inclined to change my mind? I've found a case where somebody has clearly incited hate, violence, and murder but no evidence that he was arrested, let alone sentenced to the same length of offence.

Rapper encourages the BEHEADING of Nigel Farage in sick music video

A RAPPER has released a music video calling for the decapitation of Nigel Farage and a host of other famous British figures.

www.express.co.uk

laughable comparison, those inciting violence and burning down of hotels whilst giving away locations etc during a time of nationwide protests and prisons being full to a grime/rap artist doing a mock song against Farage and co nearly a decade ago.