UK far right trouble

[Quad]

Well they’re idiots then if they think they’re remotely comparable in terms of scale, damage or threat to others lives and expect to see either similar numbers arrested or as many similar sentences.

Your figures seem well out for both btw, which news was reporting that?

Was look north

 

[bluethrunthru]

A recidivist but a patriotic recidivist

 

[KDB Fan]

Well I don’t particularly want to search out the video, but who is he inciting and to do what? It doesn’t sound like there’s any instruction attached to doing anything aside from him personally to the victim.

On the second point, the police are investigating internally aren’t they? That’s what was reported. Again though, why would they want to delay it?

There doesn't have to be an instruction. The instruction in the Lucy Connelly case was negated by her saying 'for all I care'. She was still deemed to be inciting racial hatred against that well known race of people, asylum seekers. That doesn't mean that what she said wasn't hateful and despicable but it comes back to the earlier discussion of how judges have wide powers to interpret the law and the sentencing guidelines. Judges are not automatons and there's been a huge amount of literature written about the liberty they use in their interpretation of the law.

Likewise, with that same liberty, they also find people guilty of intending to stir up racial hatred with no instruction attached (including multiple people after the Southport murders) so it's astonishing that nobody has been charged with this crime. Do you really think death threats accompanied by slurs of racial hatred are not inciting racial hatred?


On the second point, I don't know why they want to delay things but lots of people are seeing the delay as a cover-up in the absence of a reasonable explanation from the CPS. Likewise for the Simon Danczuk death threats/distributing material with the intention of stirring up racial hatred.

 

[KDB Fan]

Because the IOPC are investigating it before it goes to the CPS and both take a seemingly unaccountable age to do it

Is it any wonder people accuse the police of 'two-tier policing' when there's such an unaccountable delay? Has any explanation been given for the delay in charging the man arrested for the Simon Danczuk death threads/distribution of material intending to stir-up racial hatred?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Is it any wonder people accuse the police of 'two-tier policing'

The CPS and the IOPC are nothing to do with the police though are they? So no is the answer.

 

[meltonblue]

There doesn't have to be an instruction. The instruction in the Lucy Connelly case was negated by her saying 'for all I care'. She was still deemed to be inciting racial hatred against that well known race of people, asylum seekers. That doesn't mean that what she said wasn't hateful and despicable but it comes back to the earlier discussion of how judges have wide powers to interpret the law and the sentencing guidelines. Judges are not automatons and there's been a huge amount of literature written about the liberty they use in their interpretation of the law.

Likewise, with that same liberty, they also find people guilty of intending to stir up racial hatred with no instruction attached (including multiple people after the Southport murders) so it's astonishing that nobody has been charged with this crime. Do you really think death threats accompanied by slurs of racial hatred are not inciting racial hatred?


On the second point, I don't know why they want to delay things but lots of people are seeing the delay as a cover-up in the absence of a reasonable explanation from the CPS. Likewise for the Simon Danczuk death threats/distributing material with the intention of stirring up racial hatred.

Ok so I just watched the video. There is no chance he’d get charged for racial incitement on that, because he’s not. He’s used a racist insult but that’s it. You could at a stretch argue it’s inciting hatred towards Reform party candidates as that is who he is referring to, calling them white devils, but then he doesn’t say he’s going to do anything to them as a collective.

That will also be why he wasn’t arrested for inciting racial hatred, he was arrested for the death threat directly in the second video. Sentencing guidelines for that are here -

Threats to kill – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk

In terms of the delay, Danczuk says he hasn’t been prosecuted yet so I’m assuming he’s been charged but is one of the tens of thousands in the courts backlogs.

 

[KDB Fan]

The CPS and the IOPC are nothing to do with the police though are they? So no is the answer.

I suppose two-tier justice is more apt in this case then.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I suppose two-tier justice is more apt in this case then.

It’s as two tier as you would be if the cases were reversed. You wouldn’t mention it at all.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

I suppose two-tier justice is more apt in this case then.

Not in the way that you think. The IOPC may just as well as drop the I from their name. They will be bending over backwards to try to push criminal charges in respect of the police officers involved in the violent disorder at the airport.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

I see he’s still going lol