ULEZ Letter

[metalblue]

Is your view of this reflected in statements made by senior Tories ?

No idea mate, I don’t pour over their musings - but given they don’t instinctively gravitate towards green policy (if we can call ULEZ that) - then they’d probably not be that enamoured with it even if only in private.

In politics absence of criticism isn’t a blessing, nowadays it’s a business for opportunists who have plenty of neck.

 

[bluemc1]

Exempt if you are going to religious prayer group apparently
Best start going to church again :)

 

[hilts]

Exempt if you are going to religious prayer group apparently
Best start going to church again :)

Please tell me that's bollocks

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Please tell me that's bollocks

Of course it’s bollocks

 

[bluemc1]

Please tell me that's bollocks

Doubt it to be true tbh
Just saw it on twitter ( X)

I’d say bollocks though

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Visits to places of worship are not exempt from London’s ULEZ charges - Full Fact

Such trips would be subject to the full charge unless the vehicle used meets the emissions standards, although a temporary exemption is in place for minibuses providing community transport services.

fullfact.org

 

[hilts]

Of course it’s bollocks

Everyone knows Jesus was a green hence christ on a bike.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Doubt it to be true tbh
Just saw it on twitter ( X)

I’d say bollocks though

Do you not pay any attention to the types of accounts posting such content?

People or bots more likely who admittedly hate Muslims and post dishonest anti-immigrant memes.

 

[Vic]

Ok so the letter doing the rounds pointing to it being all the governments idea/forcing Khan to do it was utter horseshit but because you can’t bring yourself to accept that this is the Labour’s mayors policy and somehow think the tories must be behind it - because it suits your cultist agenda (and yes you follow Labour around like a cult as you’d vote for a pig if it had a red rosette as proven by your door knocking for Corybn and your door knocking for Starmer - chalk and cheese springs to mind). Anyhow I digress - you’ve decided to move the goal posts and cite he (Snapps’) didn’t formally oppose it in a formal settlement letter - quite a stretch when it’s clear Khan as mayor of London has the powers to implement it.

But well done for trying.

A bit of a rant. I hadn't said any of that about the expanded ULEZ (beyond the N/S Circs).

The fact remains that until Uxbridge, the government had not really tried to stop the expanded ULEZ (to the outer boroughs). That letter from Shapps didn't even say, "Do you think that's wise?" or "That's a very courageous plan, Mayor Khan", just "you're on your own".

 

[bluethrunthru]

Doubt it to be true tbh
Just saw it on twitter ( X)

I’d say bollocks though

two points - first its a mock up - no identifying the the publication nor the journalist behind it and two despite what the racist prick posting it would have you think not all Muslims are black or brown skinned and not all those with black or brown skins are Muslim - however nothing is stopping anyone getting an enforcement letter simply replying they were on their way to the mosque so can't be fined.

Oh and a third issue - it doesn't comply with equality laws

 

[Vic]

I think what you need to appreciate is that while most of us are occasionally wrong or Ill informed, others are correct all the time. The internet and particularly BM politics sub forum is a very serious thing. Have some empathy for those with a 100% record of being right on the internet.

Says the bloke who posts nonsense for a laugh.

 

[west didsblue]

Doubt it to be true tbh
Just saw it on twitter ( X)

I’d say bollocks though

If you doubt it to be true why didn’t you spend 1 or 2 minutes to check before posting, because that’s all it took to confirm it was a made up story by some racist, Islamophobic fuckwit.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Says the bloke who posts nonsense for a laugh.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

If you doubt it to be true why didn’t you spend 1 or 2 minutes to check before posting, because that’s all it took to confirm it was a made up story by some racist, Islamophobic fuckwit.

I suppose for the same reason some folk sized upon the made up letter saying the Tories made khan do it without similarly checking it - it suits the view of the poster.

 

[Vic]

I suppose for the same reason some folk sized upon the made up letter saying the Tories made khan do it without similarly checking it - it suits the view of the poster.

For the sake of accuracy, it wasn't a made up letter, just misunderstood (or misrepresented if you prefer). The obligation (strictly just a condition of funding) was for expanding the ULEZ to the N/S Circular. However, there is an overriding legal obligation to do something about air pollution in the whole of the Mayor's area.

"A local authority must, for the purpose of securing that air quality standards and objectives are achieved in an air quality management area designated by that authority, prepare an action plan in relation to that area." (Section 83A(2) of the 1995 Environment Act - a 2021 amendment to the Act - so a Tory amendment to Tory legislation). This is, I think, the legal obligation on the Mayor to do something about pollution, of which older vehicles are a significant cause.

The government had been carefully neutral about further expansion (or, if you prefer, careful neither to support or oppose it, just to say it's up to the Mayor).

See the later Shapps letter I referred to, and this parliamentary answer:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2023-02-01/137778

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

For the sake of accuracy, it wasn't a made up letter, just misunderstood (or misrepresented if you prefer). The obligation (strictly just a condition of funding) was for expanding the ULEZ to the N/S Circular. However, there is an overriding legal obligation to do something about air pollution in the whole of the Mayor's area.

"A local authority must, for the purpose of securing that air quality standards and objectives are achieved in an air quality management area designated by that authority, prepare an action plan in relation to that area." (Section 83A(2) of the 1995 Environment Act - a 2021 amendment to the Act - so a Tory amendment to Tory legislation). This is, I think, the legal obligation on the Mayor to do something about pollution, of which older vehicles are a significant cause.

The government had been carefully neutral about further expansion (or, if you prefer, careful neither to support or oppose it, just to say it's up to the Mayor).

See the later Shapps letter I referred to, and this parliamentary answer:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2023-02-01/137778

Tbh I'm not that arsed either way. Ulez itself is a decent idea, it's just the implementation that has been clumsy and obviously now the issue has become too hopelessly politicised for any sensible debate.

 

[Vic]

Tbh I'm not that arsed either way. Ulez itself is a decent idea, it's just the implementation that has been clumsy and obviously now the issue has become too hopelessly politicised for any sensible debate.

The only response to that is to ask who has politicised it.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The only response to that is to ask who has politicised it.

Clearly the Tories, but khan did leave them an open goal which is evident from starmers dissent/ fence sitting . It's now become polarised as a left v right issue, which is sad because the real issues are air quality / health and the financial impact upon the poor and tradesmen.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Went to Manchester last week and took my daughter to the museum down Oxford road, not been down since it’s been closed off to cars but it’s a pleasant experience, buses (not all electric yet) some cyclists although vastly under used. To get to Manchester we went on the tram and here’s the rub, you can’t take a bike on the tram, they are banned. If someone lives outside and then works at the university at the bottom end, what better way than to travel in and the use you’re bike to to do the last bit and the bit to get to the tram from your house.
I visited Toronto in 2010 and buses had bike racks on the front, you cycled to bus stop, stuck your bike on the front, got on reached your destination and then got your bike and carried on your journey. We are half arsed in this country and that’s the problem, bring shit in to stop us using things (cars) but don’t really offer real alternatives.
Want people to use bikes, give them a safe way of doing it, around Salford way I think it is they have bollards down the side to help cyclists feel more safe, these aren’t expensive or hard to implement, Oldham/Manchester road from Oldham to Manchester has more than enough room to implement a cycle lane like this each way, I wouldn’t think it would be that expensive and there are probably similar routes all around Manchester, it would be a start. Have trams with storage for bikes, you used to able to do it on trains a few years ago. I could go to the lakes with my bike bit to get to the train in central Manchester I couldn’t take my bike on the tram to get it on the train!

 

[Blue Maverick]

Sadiq Khan tried to 'silence' scientists who questioned impact of ULEZ scheme

The ultra low emission zone (ULEZ) is aimed at improving air quality but has sparked controversy.

www.express.co.uk

follow the science, until it doesn’t suit your agenda!