Uncertainty, confidence and poor form... and, er, patience

[BLOOMUEN]

Read lots of good posts this evening, pro and anti Les, and reflected a lot on our current plight.Today was unquestionably a shambles, but like the mauling at 'Borough last year, I feel that it was possibly always on the cards. All the current speculation does not lend itself to team spirit and harmony. Additionally, we started the game without Robinho and Stevie, and when Shaun limped off, we were devoid of our three most influential players - not to mention high scorers. We also had, in our spine, Kids! - Joe, Micah, Gelson, Caciedo and Sturridge. In Micah and Joe, I feel that we are currently seeing an inevitible dip in form. Isn't this normal for young players - anyone remember SWP being taken off at half time by KK? If we are not careful, particularly with MR, we are going to create the all too familiar Manchester City self-fulfilling property - If we keep telling him he's shit....
Conversely, Forest were a team with nothing to lose and buoyed by a change of management this week.

Since ADUG's takeover, our club has experienced an unprecedented change in fortunes, and when implementing change, conflict is a normal part of that process. In spite of today's result, surely it would be potty to not, at least give the club time to absorb and consolidate what has happened since September - not to mention what might be currently unfold during this transfer window?

Or am I talking wine-fuelled bollocks?

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

well your thread title accurately sums up the last 30 years of me being a blue.

 

[BLOOMUEN]

Maybe we share the same frown lines and grey hair, as I have also put in 32 year as a season ticket holder

 

[Padre]

Hmm... patience ?

Just wondering if MH told the ADUG group at the very start:

A. MCFC and it's fans are desperate for success and are highly emotional
B. My connection with United rankles with a minority and may be an issue
C. We will need 10+ high quality players to contend for major honours
D. This will take time and there will be hiccups

Amazed they haven't pulled the trigger yet.

 

[mancity1]

Read lots of good posts this evening, pro and anti Les, and reflected a lot on our current plight.Today was unquestionably a shambles, but like the mauling at 'Borough last year, I feel that it was possibly always on the cards. All the current speculation does not lend itself to team spirit and harmony. Additionally, we started the game without Robinho and Stevie, and when Shaun limped off, we were devoid of our three most influential players - not to mention high scorers. We also had, in our spine, Kids! - Joe, Micah, Gelson, Caciedo and Sturridge. In Micah and Joe, I feel that we are currently seeing an inevitible dip in form. Isn't this normal for young players - anyone remember SWP being taken off at half time by KK? If we are not careful, particularly with MR, we are going to create the all too familiar Manchester City self-fulfilling property - If we keep telling him he's shit....
Conversely, Forest were a team with nothing to lose and buoyed by a change of management this week.

Since ADUG's takeover, our club has experienced an unprecedented change in fortunes, and when implementing change, conflict is a normal part of that process. In spite of today's result, surely it would be potty to not, at least give the club time to absorb and consolidate what has happened since September - not to mention what might be currently unfold during this transfer window?

Or am I talking wine-fuelled bollocks?

There is all that at the club but if you have the right character combined with a bit of talent as well you will rise above it and do it with style as well.

We need a change in attitude and it has to happen irrespective of the quality of player you bring in.

Until that change happens we will always continue to struggle to produce quality consistent performances and by consistency I mean over a long period of time.

5-1 one week 0-3 next week etc defies all logic IMO and smacks of a side who doesn't really care if they win or lose or likes winning with an obsession as some players and sides do.

I am not into a player under performs because he thinks he is going to be replaced.

If true I don't want that type of player at my club.

I cannot accept 6-4-10 and early exits from domestic cups from this squad.

I could if it was a Stoke or a West Brom or even a Fulham etc and you can add a few to that list as well but not this squad and whose to blame?

Management and the players are to blame , not one or the other but both and only they can change the situation.

 

[gman07]

Read lots of good posts this evening, pro and anti Les, and reflected a lot on our current plight.Today was unquestionably a shambles, but like the mauling at 'Borough last year, I feel that it was possibly always on the cards. All the current speculation does not lend itself to team spirit and harmony. Additionally, we started the game without Robinho and Stevie, and when Shaun limped off, we were devoid of our three most influential players - not to mention high scorers. We also had, in our spine, Kids! - Joe, Micah, Gelson, Caciedo and Sturridge. In Micah and Joe, I feel that we are currently seeing an inevitible dip in form. Isn't this normal for young players - anyone remember SWP being taken off at half time by KK? If we are not careful, particularly with MR, we are going to create the all too familiar Manchester City self-fulfilling property - If we keep telling him he's shit....
Conversely, Forest were a team with nothing to lose and buoyed by a change of management this week.

Since ADUG's takeover, our club has experienced an unprecedented change in fortunes, and when implementing change, conflict is a normal part of that process. In spite of today's result, surely it would be potty to not, at least give the club time to absorb and consolidate what has happened since September - not to mention what might be currently unfold during this transfer window?

Or am I talking wine-fuelled bollocks?

Nope your not talking bollocks... i think this exactly whats happening... the club, the players and the manager is all in a transistion state meaning that they are in someways in shock of all that is happening... the club has to transform into a mor professional unit on all levels from the top to ticket office

the players has got to grip that they will play with talents not seen around them before and that makes them nervous and uncertain, happy and questioning their own ability... some players will cope fine with this given time but others will not... they will see that their secured job is threatened and will be given to another player bought in for lots of money... they then have to start thinking on where do i play next season... do i have to move, with family and all... all this is a process that will take time to transform... i think for example that Ball, Dunne, Fernandez, Hamann, Vassell all feel this strongly and that hinder them in their performances... when they were bought or brought here they had one vision that they could play for but all over night that all changed rapidly and all of a sudden Robinho pops in... an new level of player they have not seen before... that takes time to comprehend... and now all talk is about Kaka, Villa, Buffon, Eto´o, Toure... all world class players and not the level our squad have played with before... they are just human in their reactions and the fans need to understand this too...

WHen Hughes signed on to this job he wasnt expecting to managed that kind of players either and im pretty sure he wants to but he also need time to adjust to a whole new level of thinking... but i suspect he has easier to do that since he used to play on that level for most of his career... but im not sure the coaches behind him are up to standard... time will tell....

 

[BimboBob]

We will need a lot of patience that's for sure.
Hughes is staying.The shite players he inherited will be going.The team will be made up of a few big name players and the rest will be proven performers(like Bridge).
This will not happen over night but over a few seasons.That is our new owners plan.