United Thread 2014/15

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Marvin said:
These reports are for the season just ended - and don't include the big corporate sponsorships that have been discussed eg Addidas and Chevrolet

Their shares are trading down 3% on the day
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But the predictions for 2014-2015 will include the Chevrolet deal, won't they?

The Adidas deal won't be included until 2015-2016 but if they aren't in the Champions League it will only be a small increase on their current deal.
 
They will be in the CL next season. They will just spend more in Jan if they are struggling.

I foresee a right fucking demolition of QPR this weekend.

SCUM......
 
malg said:
They will be in the CL next season. They will just spend more in Jan if they are struggling.

I foresee a right fucking demolition of QPR this weekend.

SCUM......
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I just can't see them gelling together quick enough 6 new 1st team players over half a team i think it'll take a few weeks and then they start to play the big boys. Plus they've plenty of injuries.
 
malg said:
They will be in the CL next season. They will just spend more in Jan if they are struggling.

I foresee a right fucking demolition of QPR this weekend.

SCUM......
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Like the demolition of Swansea, Sunderland and burnley??
6 easy matches you rag twats boasted!!
2 pts out of a possible 9,,,
I predict a dull 0-0 again, 3-5-2 just isn't the one.
Comedy gold....
 
They've gone out on a limb this season. They're desperate for top 4 and anything less would spell disaster. All this talk of their squad doesn't bother me, they've spent a fortune and squad wise are behind us, Chelsea, and maybe arsenal if you're calculating balance. The big thing for me is Bacon face isn't there, and never will be again. Let's not kid ourselves they're always going to be around the top but that horrible old man was worth 15pts a Swanson on his own with his intimidation.

I see them hammering QPR, and the media wankfest after it will be unbearable. Just seen Giggs and Butt on sky saying retting rid of Welbeck doesn't mean they're turning their back on the famous youth academy. They live in a dream world they really do so embarrassing they still dine out on the class of 22 years ago. They've shown their true colours the past few weeks, everyone who's in touch with reality knows they can't compete on a level playing field, FFP was designed to get them back to the top and everyone can see it. Horrible fuckers hope they crash and burn.
 
Bluewonder said:
Marvin said:
These reports are for the season just ended - and don't include the big corporate sponsorships that have been discussed eg Addidas and Chevrolet

Their shares are trading down 3% on the day
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But the predictions for 2014-2015 will include the Chevrolet deal, won't they?

The Adidas deal won't be included until 2015-2016 but if they aren't in the Champions League it will only be a small increase on their current deal.
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It should do

They are still making reasonable profits and are reportedly contemplating further big signings in January. Two seasons or so ago no one thought that the Glazers would be able to win so many record contracts for man Utd with everyone assuming that Utd had maxed our Commercial Income

The future is unknown.

1) We don't know whether Utd will recover their CL place
2) We don't know what the impact of an extended absence from Europe will be on their bottom line. We know what the broadcasting revenues are, and somewhere I've read about penalty clauses in their shirt deals, but what about future deal generation. How resilient will that be? How long before failure on the pitch impacts on their ability to sell the club? Imponderables
 
Stood in The South Stand said:
dronefromsector7g said:
mscenterh750 said:
SCUM TWATS HATE THE TWATS FUCKING SCUMMY RAGGY BASTARD TWATS!.
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This x 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to the power of 1000000000000000000000000000000000
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Only dis.
I had my rag cousin round last night, he was being serious when he came out with "Utd are just responding to the market City created," to which I said bollocks and how many times have we broke the transfer record compared to Utd. He still wouldn't accept it.
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when was the last time we made 70 million from a player ?? Its them cunts who have set the prices,not us.
 
ElanJo said:
They should be winning the league for the money they've spent. Talk of them not finishing in the top 4 is unrealistic

Last 4 years net spending
Utd: Between 270m and 350m
City: Between 90m and 120m
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Can you see them finishing above City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool?

Stability and spending should produce results, but if they make the wrong managerial aoppointments and panic then they could mess it up

They still need defenders.
 
LoveCity said:
Their wage bill is going to surpass ours soon, pretty sure.

It'd be lovely for them to miss out on top 4, but you can't underestimate how much no European football benefits you as the season goes on, as Liverpool showed last year. United are also out of the League Cup so they're going to have a very relaxed schedule all season and will face top teams who have accumulated a lot more fatigue/injuries.
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Ahh but those teams you talk of have also better experience of playing tough games against top opposition.
swings both ways tbh.
 
mscenterh750 said:
malg said:
They will be in the CL next season. They will just spend more in Jan if they are struggling.

I foresee a right fucking demolition of QPR this weekend.

SCUM......
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For the love of god I hope not!. I will be visiting church before any game the twats play, praying for the twats to be hammered.
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Hang on a minute, does it really matter if they do batter QPR, they have bought beyond a rags wildest dreams and they are playing a team of average players.
If they don't win I expect big questions being asked by the journo's....... but it hardly means they have turned the corner and will be top four by Christmas.
 
Marvin said:
ElanJo said:
They should be winning the league for the money they've spent. Talk of them not finishing in the top 4 is unrealistic

Last 4 years net spending
Utd: Between 270m and 350m
City: Between 90m and 120m
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Can you see them finishing above City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool?

Stability and spending should produce results, but if they make the wrong managerial aoppointments and panic then they could mess it up

They still need defenders.
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I can definitely see them finishing above Arsenal and Liverpool. I think they will challenge for the title - they should do. Their defense might not be great but the main thing holding them back atm is LVG and his 3/5 at the back.
When they change to

-----------------De Gea
Rafael------Jones----Rojo----Shaw
---------------Herrera--Blind
Di Maria---Rooney/Mata---Januzaj
------------Falcao/RVP/Rooney

or a City-eque
-----------------De Gea
Rafael------Jones----Rojo----Shaw
---------------Herrera--Blind
-----------Mata------------Di Maria
---------------Falcao---Rooney

they should have enough to mount a title challenge.

They only have the League to concentrate on. That defense is as good or as bad as Liverpool's was last year
 
Marvin said:
ElanJo said:
They should be winning the league for the money they've spent. Talk of them not finishing in the top 4 is unrealistic

Last 4 years net spending
Utd: Between 270m and 350m
City: Between 90m and 120m
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Can you see them finishing above City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool?

Stability and spending should produce results, but if they make the wrong managerial aoppointments and panic then they could mess it up

They still need defenders.
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No,but I can see them finishing above Leicester.

They may have some good players now,but do they have a team ?? nahhhhhhhh.
 
The really important number I have not seen mentioned anywhere (for 2013-2014 actuals and next year's forecast) is net profit as this is the true measure of long term viability for any business but particularly for a quoted company. EBITDA is a profitability performance indicator but crucially does not - as the name suggests - take any account of tax or depreciation and amortisation of player contracts which will be highly significant for 2013-2014 and of course given the "massive" signings of this summer - even more so for the current financial year. Apologies if this has been mentioned somewhere and I have missed it but all the press releases I have seen today seem to bury this highly important statistic. This fact should not surprise anyone.
An acid test for any publicly traded business in the long term is the performance of the company's share price. Interestingly the shares I believe are down about 13% since July and I see are down a further 3% today based on their press release. Another 2% drop would take the share price to a 20 month low. The market is getting nervous - tick tock.
Apologies, Just re-read one of the press releases and key net profit figure is given but is down 84% to £24 million. Should get extremely interesting if they don't make chumps league this year then with the additional amortisation of their expensive acquisitions and their projected decrease in revenue.
 
Some so-called football finance expert on 5 Live earlier, basically saying they were still in excellent nick because of the big new sponsorships.

However, went on to say that the Adidas deal would be cut by £20m if out of CL for 2 years, plus £50m loss of revenue from missing CL. "That £70m would go straight to the bottom line".

Well no. That would go to the TOP line, you fcukwit. Of course the interviewer was too thick to pick him up.
 
ElanJo said:
Marvin said:
ElanJo said:
They should be winning the league for the money they've spent. Talk of them not finishing in the top 4 is unrealistic

Last 4 years net spending
Utd: Between 270m and 350m
City: Between 90m and 120m
Click to expand...
Can you see them finishing above City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool?

Stability and spending should produce results, but if they make the wrong managerial aoppointments and panic then they could mess it up

They still need defenders.
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I can definitely see them finishing above Arsenal and Liverpool. I think they will challenge for the title - they should do. Their defense might not be great but the main thing holding them back atm is LVG and his 3/5 at the back.
When they change to

-----------------De Gea
Rafael------Jones----Rojo----Shaw
---------------Herrera--Blind
Di Maria---Rooney/Mata---Januzaj
------------Falcao/RVP/Rooney

or a City-eque
-----------------De Gea
Rafael------Jones----Rojo----Shaw
---------------Herrera--Blind
-----------Mata------------Di Maria
---------------Falcao---Rooney

they should have enough to mount a title challenge.

They only have the League to concentrate on. That defense is as good or as bad as Liverpool's was last year
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If I was being neutral I would qiute like the look of those two sides.

If all our full - backs were out in a car and it was hit by a drunk driver and we lost any two of them then Rafael and Shaw would certainly be as good as we could hope to get replacements for the two that remained and the quality of the forward players isn't really in question.

Nobody though seems to know what they will get from Blind. Views range from a top quality utility player to the Dutch Phil Neville. Herrera should be good enough once he has settled in. We don't know how long they will persist with three at the back;- the Manager is perceived as being stubborn and I am banking on them being a hell of a long way off the pace before they start to pick up.

I just can't see top four for them.
 
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