You made claims about conversations you had which I don’t believe. I don’t believe them because your references about what others think are cribbed DIRECTLY from Trumpian talking points, and I don’t believe real “moderates” said what you said they did.Not sure what your point is in your infantile contributions to what is a serious debate. I am neither pro Trump nor pro Biden ..I merely made an observation to which you have added nothing of use..
How about you leave world affairs to the grown ups and maybe you should just stick to chats about barms or baps..
I think the reality is that Trump's policies are often generally in line with what Conservatives want. But his speech, twits and Manners they all hate.I have pretty much given up any hope from the GOP, the fact that none of them have any backbone is very depressing. Liz Cheney has more balls than all of the Trumpists put together. I don’t see any help coming from the democrats either, identity politics n all….sad times
You made claims about conversations you had which I don’t believe. I don’t believe them because your references about what others think are cribbed DIRECTLY from Trumpian talking points, and I don’t believe real “moderates” said what you said they did.
But if you wish you can just say “Did so” and leave it at that.
I’d ask you to read his post and mine again and maybe you’d figure out why your point has absolutely nothing to do with mine, but you won’t, or can’t.I'm sorry but what was described is simply not that unusual. Perhaps maybe not in California. New York? New Jersey? Connecticut? These discussions are common place.
Yes, ofcourse I run into raving leftist too. I'm in a bloody Blue State afterall., So that's to be expected. But Democrats who are uncomfortable with the left's identity Politics and agree with Law and Order, anti-illegal immigration is just too common.
That you think someone is lying that they've had these conversations is a little strange.
Did so now fuck off weirdoYou made claims about conversations you had which I don’t believe. I don’t believe them because your references about what others think are cribbed DIRECTLY from Trumpian talking points, and I don’t believe real “moderates” said what you said they did.
But if you wish you can just say “Did so” and leave it at that.
A long list of utterly unprovable generalizations. Generalizations allow the simple-minded to support the conclusions they’ve (already) reached regardless of the issue/perspective.I think the reality is that Trump's policies are often generally in line with what Conservatives want. But his speech, twits and Manners they all hate.
But the Media, and the liberals want Conservative and Republicans to denounce Trump. One has to asj though, to what effect exactly? To advantage Democrats?
It's all political theatre. And I'm fine with Republicans and Conservatives not playing along. The only good Conservative to the media are retired ones who Criticize other Conservatives.
It's not their principles that those on the left cherish. It's their denouncement of what they believe or agree with.
Thanks, have a nice day.Did so now fuck off weirdo
Biden has strong support among African Americans. As a centrist, he commands support from both those who simply cannot tolerate Trump even if far more liberal than Biden, as well as centrist Democrats and independents, and too some few centrist Republicans.Some of Bidens biggest supporters have now Christened Biden "Diary creamer" As in bearable but not the best.
If he stands again there's a chance of a GOP clean sweep. Just have to hope there's a candidate who isn't a far right as Trump standing against him.
The dispute in Ukraine could seal the fate of either.
Although I agree with FogBlueInSanFran on most political issues - what you've posted strikes me as spot on, provided that you're talking about urban/suburban Republicans.Over the past 12years I have spent a large chunk of my time in the USA mainly amongst over 50's US Citizens from Northern and Southern States. Decent people, good people, people admirably proud of their Constitution ,their Country and flag.
The vast majority are not very well informed on world affairs ,history (even their own) or politics from more than one angle. Probably could say the same about a large number of UK population nowadays. Only a few are out and out Trumpers but most moderates agreed with his rhetoric to protect their borders, defend their kids and grandkids jobs from going oversees ,respecting law and order and doing things to make them feel proud again of their Country.
Even the most moderate despair at the way Biden's presidency is unfolding.
You now hear 'well it wouldn't have been like this under Trump'..
So I would not write off Trump in 2024 .They shrug their shoulders at the lack of any decent Leadership candidate. (Aren't we the same).
Thanks for that reasoned response (unlike the paranoid Fogblue).Although I agree with FogBlueInSanFran on most political issues - what you've posted strikes me as spot on, provided that you're talking about urban/suburban Republicans.
You've not specified where you spent that "large chunk of time" though. If it's in deep rural America - well that's rabid Trump country and I can see why FB disagrees. But if it's time spent in urban/suburban America - yeah - I think that Trump is popular among Republicans living in these areas on policy, albeit reluctantly; his overly aggressive posture and less than ideal morals are off-putting. But so far urban/suburban Republicans are willing to hold their noses and vote for him - so far.
Further, voters attribute circumstances to the current president - both good and bad, regardless of merit. And things aren't going great (though I think Biden is doing the best he can)... thus the, "well it wouldn't have been like this under Trump" sentiment among Republicans nominally disposed towards Biden seems reasonable.
And yes - Trump has a chance in 2024 IMO - provided that legal entanglements don't interfere. Trump's pro-Putin rhetoric isn't helping him at all - and his ego might land him in legal hot water.