How many people actually died ?
how would those of minority in numbers been treated ?
Would they have been treated the same as those advocating BLM were treated when they went on the violent rampage of property destruction and looting in the years and months and days leading up to Jan 6.
I know of one female who was shot dead by a police officer but if you know of any more other than the drug overdose self inflicted and 3 from natural causes I am happy for you to provide detail.
I do know that the ABC here in Australia paid a reporter who had access to a weapon that could be used to kill to pass it on to anybody interested and took film inside the event when the initial rush commenced and tempers were somewhat flared but the offer was never taken up.
As far as I know the gathering consisted of people from a number of races , colours and creeds.
BTW approx 30 per cent of those Hispanics , ( 12 per cent African American ), and 30 per cent non-while " mob " as you refer to them as that voted in the election voted for Trump who increased his vote amongst those groups from 2016 and across most states including some of those that landed Blue.
White females and a shift in white males across states that turned blue and an increase in the overall vote cost the Republicans dearly albeit nothing like the election landslides of 1980 and 1984 when in California Red was the colour to be unfortunately.
your analogy comparing American voters to the Middle East is both disturbing and dangerous AND of course to use one of your lines utter bat shit.
many of those persecuted in these regimes flee to the US to live a better life and those that make it by and large enrich their lives no matter if the country is red or blue.
as for point 1 (LOL) , Trump left without a whimper and is all hype and BS in the main when it comes to these things and would have and as more and more intelligent people from both sides of the fence are concluding a thing of the past in political terms.
If so it was doomed to failure before it started it was only the building where it took place that was the point of it all and as I said it even the smart on the left now know its time for addressing the real issues even if physical barriers are required again.It was an attempted coup, engineered by Trump, a sitting President, and designed to pressure legislators to overturn the election.
Those who can not distinguish (or refuse to distinguish) between an attack on the democratic process by the executive branch of Govt., and a street protest by those who feel they have no voice, or have been marginalised for decades are either ignorant or fools.
I won't go through it line by line due to your appalling writing style making it mostly unfathomable, but it starts badly with a standard pointless reference to virtue signalling. It then moves on to some fairly random points not connected to the topic under discussion, in particular a totally incorrect reference to the number of Covid deaths before and after Biden's inauguration. On 20 January there had been 430,000 Covid deaths so it was actually 86% higher than your figure in Trump's final year, and since Biden was inaugurated the figure is 210,000 lower than your quoted figure. If that is an example of your typical accuracy then everything you post is clearly questionable. I won't bother critiquing the rest because it's far too garbled to be bothering with.As the questions were addressed to another poster I would prefer he or she respond if they decide to addressing some of the issues raised but as you have decided once again to put your two cents worth in westy lets break down your response line by line.
Line one just your usual virtue signalling nothing again other than you can spell terrible correctly and allege you read my posts which by the way you have said in the past you don't but assuming you have once again you don't understand the point I am making.
I am not apologising for anything take took place on Jan 6 in fact I only ask about the death toll and cause of death to be clarified.
I am not legitimising their actions westy wrong again read what I posted and read it word for word.
Was Trump at the head of the queue westy and can you repeat what he actually said to stir up the hornets nest?
its high time you attributed everything bad that happened during 2016 to 2020 in the US as Trumps fault , its factually incorrect and giving him far too much kudos.
Are you blaming Joe for the 530k deaths this year from Covid at his doorstep with three vaccines developed under Trumps Administration anymore than Trump for the 220k deaths that occurred in Trumps last year in office at US President?
Name me one legitimate grievance that warrants a Marxist movement that says you Westy shouldn't own any property in a democracy the legitimacy to burn your house down Westy?
I made no comparison to BLM at all if you read word for word what I posted.
I should mention or allude you to the fact that CNN reporters were watching the destruction and said nothing other than BLM is protesting against " Racism ".
I posted about the relative criminal and judiciary responses Westy but your blindness and dislike for anything I post on this thread led you once again to a false generalisation and the wrong conclusion as a result.
Watch the ABC ( Australian footage ) and you won't conclude it BS but who knows with you Westy , you probably think it was Trump in disguise having received the funds to by the weapon from Putin sent personally to him in the mail.
Have you forgotten the Hilary still believes the Russians supported by Fox News cost her the 2016 election (LOL).
I thought you were dead against and outraged at terrorists and terrorist activity and the persecuted and those left the right to escape for their own safety to safer havens.
Perhaps I was mistaken Westy when it comes to you as the answer is dependant on who the terrorists are and who they are attacking.
See how you chew on that lot westy and get back to me on legitimacy if you actually know what the word means and if you don't google some synonyms that you can relate to.
Again what were the BLM protesting peacefully against according to the MSM?
How many covid deaths when Biden was elected ?I won't go through it line by line due to your appalling writing style making it mostly unfathomable, but it starts badly with a standard pointless reference to virtue signalling. It then moves on to some fairly random points not connected to the topic under discussion, in particular a totally incorrect reference to the number of Covid deaths before and after Biden's inauguration. On 20 January there had been 430,000 Covid deaths so it was actually 86% higher than your figure in Trump's final year, and since Biden was inaugurated the figure is 210,000 lower than your quoted figure. If that is an example of your typical accuracy then everything you post is clearly questionable. I won't bother critiquing the rest because it's far too garbled to be bothering with.
If so it was doomed to failure before it started it was only the building where it took place that was the point of it all and as I said it even the smart on the left now know its time for addressing the real issues even if physical barriers are required again.
FFS Bob we have police and physical barriers on the borders between states to keep a virus out from one part of the country and we call ourselves a "Federation". A coup without the violence.
I agree with your last paragraph but pass on the word fool as its ignorance that usually determines whether you are unwise or otherwise if you decide to pass comment.
How many covid deaths when Biden was elected ?
How many covid deaths now and as I said with three vaccines that the previous administration had funded?
He said 200k deaths and I will make sure there will not be another 200k under my watch in his speech to the park few we have to beat this virus and we will but first we have to beat Trump.
how quick you forget Westy.
Biden did not become President on election day. You specifically mentioned Trump's final year in office which ended 20 Jan 2021. The 10 weeks between election and inauguration were not under Biden's watch.How many covid deaths when Biden was elected ?
How many covid deaths now and as I said with three vaccines that the previous administration had funded?
He said 200k deaths and I will make sure there will not be another 200k under my watch in his speech to the park few we have to beat this virus and we will but first we have to beat Trump.
how quick you forget Westy.
On the first point we agree to disagree on the second part of the second point I agree but their is every comparison BK , its about unelected individuals determining what the population must do and is totally immune to voters.No. It was not doomed to fail before it started, and the response by an attempt by the Executive branch of Govt to pressure the legislature to overturn an election in order to maintain power, cannot be measured in its likelihood of success.
There is no comparison between measures enacted during a pandemic and an Executive trying to overturn election results. That is how dictatorships and authoritarian rule starts - outside of the rule of law and immune to voters.
My post you referred to mentioned when Biden was elected but again you refuse to comment on what is asked of you.Biden did not become President on election day. You specifically mentioned Trump's final year in office which ended 20 Jan 2021. The 10 weeks between election and inauguration were not under Biden's watch.
Well first off, maybe it would help if you saw the documentary in question.No idea what has to do with the assertions you make and my comments but if you were outraged be outraged at all forms of violence or attacks on liberty without the need to label.
their are nutters and extremists throughout the political wheel of fortune.
Can you translate the last sentence in English thank you.
I haven't commented on the states and republicans but as you mentioned them most of them from both stripes have been poor.And how many Republican States trying to overturn mask and vaccine mandates? How many threatening to withdraw funds to public schools if they implement basic health measures? How many prolonging the pandemic and increasing the death toll purely for political gain? How many officials in these states who pour suspicion on the vaccines for the cameras while being vaccinated up to the eyeballs themselves?
The hypocrisy of these Republican and Conservative ‘elites’, yet you target the one man trying to get vaccines into as many arms as possible?
Wrong.My post you referred to mentioned when Biden was elected but again you refuse to comment on what is asked of you.
Again happy to take it up with you in the Biden thread if you prefer.
His record on Covid in my opinion has been poor at best , a national disgrace at worst.
Elected officials have pulled the pin for doing much better.
I have no interest in taking this discussion any further with you in any thread.Are you blaming Joe for the 530k deaths this year from Covid at his doorstep with three vaccines developed under Trumps Administration anymore than Trump for the 220k deaths that occurred in Trumps last year in office at US President?
Quite apart from the crowd element breaking in from the outside. This is what I got out of the documentary.No. It was not doomed to fail before it started, and the response by an attempt by the Executive branch of Govt to pressure the legislature to overturn an election in order to maintain power, cannot be measured in its likelihood of success.
There is no comparison between measures enacted during a pandemic and an Executive trying to overturn election results. That is how dictatorships and authoritarian rule starts - outside of the rule of law and immune to voters.
Or a civil war.Quite apart from the crowd element breaking in from the outside. This is what I got out of the documentary.
Trump orchestrated this in his usual hands off style, but there were people on the inside in the Republican Party that surely were in the loop.
If he had declared martial law, the US may well have found itself for all intents and purposes in a dictatorship.
Can you translate the last sentence please.If so it was doomed to failure before it started it was only the building where it took place that was the point of it all and as I said it even the smart on the left now know its time for addressing the real issues even if physical barriers are required again.
FFS Bob we have police and physical barriers on the borders between states to keep a virus out from one part of the country and we call ourselves a "Federation". A coup without the violence.
I agree with your last paragraph but pass on the word fool as its ignorance that usually determines whether you are unwise or otherwise if you decide to pass comment.
I now understand what you were portraying in your original post.Well first off, maybe it would help if you saw the documentary in question.
I am outraged by violence wherever it comes from. You should have picked that up.
Regarding labelling and relevance to the footage in the documentary which isn’t unique to it,meaning we all would have seen most of it before. In the four hours of blow by blow, edited footage, I struggled to find any black people in the crowd of 15-20k. That’s just an observation. If you say you know the demographics of the Trump vote, I have no reason to doubt you and no interest to fact check.
I didn’t refer to BLM or similar protests, I remarked that I don’t believe that such demographic would have gotten as far as this crowd did and still firmly believe that such a crowd would have been handled differently.
I do believe that this was a cack handed attempt at a coup by Trump, while trying in his typical fashion to leave none of his fingerprints on it.
If you don’t see it that way, that’s fine by me.
Regarding the last sentence, I’ll simplify and put it in context of the program I watched.
These people were all Trump supporters. They stated it and were carrying all the usual Trump paraphernalia. The crowd had had a lot of Proud Boys and other Right wing groups throughout and as they upped the anti, there were plenty of weapons to be seen. Baseball bats, iron bars, spikes, spears and yes, knives were carried to. Pepper spray was deployed by them against the police and some sort of grenades were also thrown.
The holier than thou attitude I referred to is from these God and Trump trusting people( their words, not mine) saying they were here to take back the country and this is the American way. These people were not non violent.
They were used I believe, the vast bulk of the crowd were, but these people seem as fundamentalist to me as any other God quoting nut jobs, whatever denomination they worship.
As you say - he deployed his mob boss approach of hands off and only issuing orders verbally to a few trusted subordinates. He would have had legal advice - but specifically around what he needed to do to avoid any kind of personal liability / responsibility. He slunk off and just hoped that the mob and random others would push it beyond the acceptable boundaries. If he had more guts and got actively involved on the day then no doubt it would have been a successful coup. But then the question of what next - he could have stooped the election certification but what then?Trump orchestrated this in his usual hands off style, but there were people on the inside in the Republican Party that surely were in the loop.
If he had declared martial law, the US may well have found itself for all intents and purposes in a dictatorship.
I thought so westy then why even bother to comment in the first place.Wrong.
I have no interest in taking this discussion any further with you in any thread.
I commented in the first place because you posted a load of shite and I responded to it with some facts to put you straight, which was always going to be a huge challenge. I didn't bring up Biden and Covid, you did which you appear to have forgotten, and practically everything you posted was factually incorrect. You write so much rubbish you forget what you've written, and then you double down with even more rubbish. A sensible debate with you is impossible.I thought so westy then why even bother to comment in the first place.
you shoot from the mole hill and walk away when their are not enough likes.
Whats wrong?
Japan's head believed it was appropriate he go due to the government's response to Covid and there have been others.
You think his record has been good given their access to vaccines etc and based on what his promise to the population was ?
you brought up Biden and Covid and as per usual you want to leave with your toys when you are challenged for a respsonse.
Imagine you in a debating team or being interviewed on any subject .
Ok fellows I don't want to discuss it anymore I want to leave with my toys.
you know that Biden has failed on Covid to date just like the orange man did in fact it was the main reason he didn't get the usual second term these days.
Just admit it , you won't lose any face but if you think he has then argue the point westy instead of carrying on like a pork chop.
honestly I get better critical thinking from my grandsons play mates than I do from you.
Certainly.Can you translate the last sentence please.