US Politics Thread

[Dax777]

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Which is, as you know, complete bullshit, and most of the banned words don't even fit with that, but they don't care about that.

It's all CRT moral panic. Can't teach the kids that discrimination extends past shouting slurs or Jim Crow or they might grow up and change things.

I missed this addition to your original post. There may be a moral panic about CRT. I think you are right that there is one. But this doesn't mean the worry underpinning the panic is unwarranted

Unfortunately, CRT doesn't teach that there is more to discrimination than Slurs and Jim Crow. And it's not about teaching history like is often falsely claimed on CNN or MSNBC.

But we can delve into CRT separately if it's of interest to you. But for the purposes of this thread let me use your own word...

CRT itself is a moral panic about the state of reality.

 

[Dax777]

You are playing the moron. You asked a question you already knew the answer to, now you're pretending that republican CRT panic (literally an openly admitted manufactured panic to whip up the right wing) is legitmate and doesn't sound "incredibly insensible".

I ask these questions questions to stop the constant practice of assuming what is in fact the crux of the disagreement.

This disingenuous, poor man's Joe Rogan, "I'm just asking quesitons dude" bullshit is getting pretty fucking boring. If you want to pretend that every time a Republican does some incredibly stupid, hypocritical, racist bullshit we have to break it down to its very tiniest hypothetical roots and pretend it's not just incredibly stupid, hypocritical, racist bullshit then do it on your own time.

Again, you are playing the 'sides' game. Good for you.

I'm objecting to the sides game. And rather have the issues discussion.

Should CRT be banned? Why or why not. That's the relevant question. Not whether the big bad republicans you hate are doing something again... That's what's silly.

Hence why I always try to refocus the discussion. To the actual issue and not the sides issue.

You are actually a good advocate for your beliefs. As you do your best to base it on evidence. So kudos for that.

But I won't apologize for not accepting dogma based on sides.

 

[domalino]

hould CRT be banned? Why or why not. That's the relevant question.

No.

Oh look at that, we didn't need to fuck about for hours while you "refocus" discussions.

Turns out there's an obvious answer to the question "Should we, in a country supposedly founded on free speech, be banning schools from mentioning any words tangentially associated with 40 year old ideas because a republican strategist decided he could whip the right wing into a racist frenzy with it?"

 

[Dax777]

No.

Oh look at that, we didn't need to fuck about for hours while you "refocus" dicussiions.

Well then, let me oblige you.

I agree with you that CRT shouldn't be banned. Even though what that means is about confusing.


Yet I probably disagree with you on the value that CRT provides as a theory in particular. And definitely disagree on the value it offers in K-12 specifically. It is almost certainly detrimental to every child and perhapsl society at large.

I know it's mostly wrong headed and has very little positive value and a load of negative at that stage. Especially when it's woven into the fabric of education rather than taught as a subject..

Yet I know you disagree with that.So to get to that point, we have to get past the claims of your original posts on this banning of the issue to the why was it banned and what arethe justifications for doing so, and are those valid or not?


I was simply following the logical steps.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I suppose this presumes the truth of systemic racism as a rule.

But if systemic racism wasn't true, or more sensibly, had to be proven first rather than just asserted a priori...

In that scenario, that would mean they were trying to ban a false narrative by using a tactic that makes true what used to be false (or unproven) about the narrative to begin with.


The idiocy of banning CRT and the ideas that flow from..it, is that you validate those very ideas by doing so.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I agree with you that CRT shouldn't be banned. Even though what that means is about confusing.


Yet I probably disagree with you on the value that CRT provides as a theory in particular. And definitely disagree on the value it offers in K-12 specifically. It is almost certainly detrimental to every child and perhapsl society at large.

I know it's mostly wrong headed and has very little positive value and a load of negative at that stage. Especially when it's woven into the fabric of education rather than taught as a subject..

Yet I know you disagree with that.So to get to that point, we have to get past the claims of your original posts on this banning of the issue to the why was it banned and what arethe justifications for doing so, and are those valid or not?


I was simply following the logical steps.

And pray tell — what’s your claim to expertise on the subject? Where is your PhD in education from? Where are the independent studies of schoolchildren you’ve conducted? Tell us about your thesis topic.

I apologize in advance if this comes off as bullying you. It’s important you let me know because I need the back up on your view just as you need it from others. Having spent six years on a school board discussing some of these issues, it was always important to get the feedback of experts, so I need yours.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Here's hoping Biden doesn't wimp out on Ukraine. Early signs, not so good.

I'd say something like, "Unbelievable!", but;

One - The early signs may be misleading

and

Two - It's really not, is it. Nothing is really very unbelievable about yet another abandoment by leaders who answer to demographics of self-obsessed, shallow, blowhard wimps, who never had to fight for, or learn, a damned thing that wasn't in the immediate interest of their ego (or that of their immediate family).

Shoot me, you shallow monsters. You learned idiots. SHOOOOOT ME.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Here's hoping Biden doesn't wimp out on Ukraine. Early signs, not so good.

I'd say something like, "Unbelievable!", but;

One - The early signs may be misleading

and

Two - It's really not, is it. Nothing is really very unbelievable about yet another abandoment by leaders who answer to demographics of self-obsessed, shallow, blowhard wimps, who never had to fight for, or learn, a damned thing that wasn't in the immediate interest of their ego (or that of their immediate family).

Shoot me, you shallow monsters. You learned idiots. SHOOOOOT ME.

I hope too that Biden is tough on Russia - but there's a school of thought (e.g., Pat Buchanan) that for whatever antiquated reason, Russia views a west-leaning Ukraine as a huge threat. According to this line of reasoning, Russia might well be willing to engage in nuclear warfare over this issue.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Some progress in the last few days in the Trump and related party lawsuits. Its dragged on too long and still nowhere near enough progress but there is life in these issues he is facing. The most likely route to prison looks to be the Bank fruad case where he is now facing deposition on the inconsistency of the values of his properties from bank loans to tax returns. His only way out of this appears to be via legal fog and technicality - the facts of the case are now very well reported.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Some progress in the last few days in the Trump and related party lawsuits. Its dragged on too long and still nowhere near enough progress but there is life in these issues he is facing. The most likely route to prison looks to be the Bank fruad case where he is now facing deposition on the inconsistency of the values of his properties from bank loans to tax returns. His only way out of this appears to be via legal fog and technicality - the facts of the case are now very well reported.

Which, given that these pale into insignificance compared to attempting to overthrow the legitimate results of a Presidential election is pretty shocking.

I mean, there is even a f*cking PowerPoint presentation detailing the actions required to overthrow the election...

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Just Fox News comparing the burning down if their Christmas tree to the attack on Pearl Harbour...

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Which, given that these pale into insignificance compared to attempting to overthrow the legitimate results of a Presidential election is pretty shocking.

I mean, there is even a f*cking PowerPoint presentation detailing the actions required to overthrow the election...

It would surprise me greatly - I rate the likelihood at less than 1-in-10 - that Trump faces any sort of criminal charge that prevents him from being the next Republican nominee for President.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

It would surprise me greatly - I rate the likelihood at less than 1-in-10 - that Trump faces any sort of criminal charge that prevents him from being the next Republican nominee for President.

I'm slightly more optimistic but still only at 4/10. And even then i see it as being fraud related to his businesses and not the obstruction of justice and insurrection wile he was potus.

 

[SWP's back]

Christ. Remember when we were lectured that Trump was no more special or dangerous, or likely to ry and over run democracy than any of his predecessors….



They even made a fucking PowerPoint.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Christ. Remember when we were lectured that Trump was no more special or dangerous, or likely to ry and over run democracy than any of his predecessors….



They even made a fucking PowerPoint.

True.

The salient point though is that most Republicans couldn't give a shit about Democracy.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Christ. Remember when we were lectured that Trump was no more special or dangerous, or likely to ry and over run democracy than any of his predecessors….



They even made a fucking PowerPoint.

I do remember.

The ones that did the lecturing — all cowards and chickenshits and egoists and apologists and dimwits — don’t.

 

[SWP's back]

Yeahhhhh so. When is the next meteor due?

 

[mat]

Yeahhhhh so. When is the next meteor due?

Next week if Nostradamus is right like he's been before....

Due to hit California rather than Florida mind.

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

True.

The salient point though is that most Republicans couldn't give a shit about Democracy.

The Democrats are less democratic than the Taliban judging by the limited and controlled information we get over here.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Yeahhhhh so. When is the next meteor due?

Haven’t we seen this person before, spouting bile bayou kids in school? Seems the USA are making stupid, right.