US Politics Thread

[Shadz69]

Worth having Twitter for her alone at the moment, very funny lady.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Is Rachel Maddow MSNBC's Tucker Carlson?

Her whole show this evening is trying to reassure viewers by using examples of politicians have been arrested and served time for their crimes. Should Trump be nicked everything will be ok and nothing will change is her message.

She is NOTHING like Carlson. She was just offering lessons from history, which is kind of her thing. People might not like her method of delivery, but she's usually very well researched and rarely wrong in what she says on the whole.

Carlson just makes shit up.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Is Rachel Maddow MSNBC's Tucker Carlson?

Her whole show this evening is trying to reassure viewers by using examples of politicians have been arrested and served time for their crimes. Should Trump be nicked everything will be ok and nothing will change is her message.

I think you may have had a whoosh moment and misunderstood her message

 

[SWP's back]

Is Rachel Maddow MSNBC's Tucker Carlson?

Her whole show this evening is trying to reassure viewers by using examples of politicians have been arrested and served time for their crimes. Should Trump be nicked everything will be ok and nothing will change is her message.

No.

And that’s true. But it’s enjoyable reading your panic attack.

 

[Manc in London]

Looks like Ron has decided it’s time to flip the switch, he’s been completely deferential until now.

A question to those who are clued-up on the fight for the Republican nomination....

Could the acrimonious relationship between Trump and De Santis lead to the vote of the alt right and other loons being split so a more moderate may end up winning the race?

 

[domalino]

A question to those who are clued-up on the fight for the Republican nomination....

Could the acrimonious relationship between Trump and De Santis lead to the vote of the alt right and other loons being split so a more moderate may end up winning the race?

Unfortunately there’s really no other credible candidates for the Republican nomination.

However they can really undermine the R vote if they go to war. De Santis can lose the support of die hard Trump fans who might just reject the election entirely if he loses, and Trump will lose a lot of people who aren’t committed MAGA heads if he gets arrested and starts calling for more violence and going off the deep end in a fight with DeSantis.

DeSantis’ history of torturing people at Guantanamo is the kind of thing only Trump will blow up into a big talking point and that could hurt both of them.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

A question to those who are clued-up on the fight for the Republican nomination....

Could the acrimonious relationship between Trump and De Santis lead to the vote of the alt right and other loons being split so a more moderate may end up winning the race?

Trump's base will not waiver. Desantis is unlikely to split that vote and come out on top in a two horse race. What De Santis will do is move some of the moderates who held their noses and voted for Trump at the last election on the basis that they believed it was the only way to stop Biden.

Anyone else throwing their hat in will only really harm De Santis' chances. It's between him and Trump for the nomination.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Trump's base will not waiver. Desantis is unlikely to split that vote and come out on top in a two horse race. What De Santis will do is move some of the moderates who held their noses and voted for Trump at the last election on the basis that they believed it was the only way to stop Biden.

Anyone else throwing their hat in will only really harm De Santis' chances. It's between him and Trump for the nomination.

Agree with that. Trump won a lot of non voters to his cause and you could assume most are Trump or 0.

Ron might take some but that won't be enough. His route to victory is if Trump is so dogged by legal issues and possible jail that a majority of Rs think Ron is the best option. Even then Trump fans don't think to hard and it's conceivable Trump could be a jail House candidate. I suspect Ron will do minimal for now and just hope Trump gets dragged down. But if Trump is in the fight he will have to out swinging sometime and the 'base' won't like it. However it goes it's not a great story to tell swing voters.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Trump's base will not waiver. Desantis is unlikely to split that vote and come out on top in a two horse race. What De Santis will do is move some of the moderates who held their noses and voted for Trump at the last election on the basis that they believed it was the only way to stop Biden.

Anyone else throwing their hat in will only really harm De Santis' chances. It's between him and Trump for the nomination.

I thought they would waver some but I’m looking wrong. In terms of public displays of support, his pathetic rally attendances and his “calls to protest” indicate the formerly more public and overt support has gone underground rather than disappeared. I think I mistook “gone underground” for “gone away”. That’s what will happen to DeSantis’ support as well — to the extent it’s out there it will go underground. I thought DeSantis would prove at least somewhat of a contrast to Trump —instead, like the coward he is, he’s embraced all of the MAGA agenda and abandoned a more traditional conservative one in order to be the fail-safe option for the MAGA base in case Trump is, I guess, imprisoned or what not. He won’t let any other candidate co-opt that base. As such, whatever happens, if Biden retains his health, steers the economy and foreign policy through difficulty and doesn’t screw up in some other way, I just don’t see how a GOPer beats him.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I thought they would waver some but I’m looking wrong. In terms of public displays of support, his pathetic rally attendances and his “calls to protest” indicate the formerly more public and overt support has gone underground rather than disappeared. I think I mistook “gone underground” for “gone away”. That’s what will happen to DeSantis’ support as well — to the extent it’s out there it will go underground. I thought DeSantis would prove at least somewhat of a contrast to Trump —instead, like the coward he is, he’s embraced all of the MAGA agenda and abandoned a more traditional conservative one in order to be the fail-safe option for the MAGA base in case Trump is, I guess, imprisoned or what not. He won’t let any other candidate co-opt that base. As such, whatever happens, if Biden retains his health, steers the economy and foreign policy through difficulty and doesn’t screw up in some other way, I just don’t see how a GOPer beats him.

Agree with that. It's hard to read the true level of support Trump has and what his legal trouble will do to it. The die hards won't be budged, but they are not all dumb and there must be some appeal in moving to a less legally embattled option.

But you do feel he is the backup plan. And Trump will never concede the race and endorse him. So its difficult to see how Ron D builds any kind of momentum. We will see.