I always said he "shouldn't" be electable, but there was always a danger that he would be.Someone should drag up the old trump thread.
Seems were still saying the same things about him being unelectable etc.
Id agree with that. But he is also a worse candidate now, even though he was bad last time.I always said he "shouldn't" be electable, but there was always a danger that he would be.
If people still think there is absolutely no chance he'll be elected again after what transpired last time, then they haven't learned their lesson.
I'm almost certain he won't be in jail before the election. He's had YEARS of experience dragging out legal fights.Id agree with that. But he is also a worse candidate now, even though he was bad last time.
And I keep saying events in the run up to any election have a massive impact on the result. He won last time with a late swing because of the Hilary Email investigation. They tried and tried with hunters laptop to do the same but it didn't stick. But something like that can stick and shift the polls significantly.
His chance assumes he's not in jail though and the way things are panning out Trump will win the nomination wile sat in a court room and then end up in jail before the election. The GOP is as likely to fully implode as it is to gain power with Trump. I don't discount him winning I just think the possible outcomes are varied and jail without winning the most likely. However, if he beats the odds in his various trials, wins some and builds on the persecution narrative (and isn't in jail by November 2024) then he could easily win.
In the civil courts. His options to do similar, certainly pre-trial, are far more limited in a criminal case.I'm almost certain he won't be in jail before the election. He's had YEARS of experience dragging out legal fights.
Depends how much leeway the judge is prepared to give him, but I think he'll find a way.In the civil courts. His options to do similar, certainly pre-trial, are far more limited in a criminal case.
He's already been given fixed dates in 1 trial. Lose that one and he will be behind bars. He can appeal the conviction, but unlike a civil case, if he appeals he does so from a jail cell rather than say, getting a stay on a civil award. Those appeals can take years.Depends how much leeway the judge is prepared to give him, but I think he'll find a way.
Yep, and there are so many. The docs case looks a slam dunk even with a friendly judge and jury pool. It's an absolute slam dunk case.He's already been given fixed dates in 1 trial. Lose that one and he will be behind bars. He can appeal the conviction, but unlike a civil case, if he appeals he does so from a jail cell rather than say, getting a stay on a civil award. Those appeals can take years.
Sure they’re all the same.Not all of, some like me thought we had a Bigga problem.
Navarro was convicted for his part last week (disobeying a congressional subpoena), and he still walks free, same as Bannon.He's already been given fixed dates in 1 trial. Lose that one and he will be behind bars. He can appeal the conviction, but unlike a civil case, if he appeals he does so from a jail cell rather than say, getting a stay on a civil award. Those appeals can take years.
Which just shows how stupid Trump is not letting his legal PAC pay for their defence.Then the Georgia one is the biggest deal, he can play for time there but others have already asked for a speedy trial. If others go down then momentum builds against Trump.
Then you have all the other legal stuff and the monkey climbing up the back wall is often what gets you.
Hence the hasty Mar a Lago fundraiser for mad Uncle Rudy.Which just shows how stupid Trump is not letting his legal PAC pay for their defence.
Essay piece in the Grauniad today raised a good point about the risk of third party candidates taking votes away from Biden and therefore helping Trump
But both Bannon and Navarro will go to jail. The proud boys are in jail. It's starting to close in.Navarro was convicted for his part last week (disobeying a congressional subpoena), and he still walks free, same as Bannon.
I'm not going to believe that Trump will be behind bars even if he is found guilty before the election until he's actually locked in a cell.
Trump hates paying for anything, let alone other people's legal fees. This help for Guliani is clearly too little too late. Trump would have been dragged kicking in screaming in to this. And it's not enough.Hence the hasty Mar a Lago fundraiser for mad Uncle Rudy.
But both Bannon and Navarro will go to jail. The proud boys are in jail. It's starting to close in.
I agree its far to slow and Trump will delay as much as he can. But if you think of this as a huge pool of interrelated MAGA world trials then they are starting to lose and there are more losses to come and that will be the backdrop to his campaign.
Trump hates paying for anything, let alone other people's legal fees. This help for Guliani is clearly too little too late. Trump would have been dragged kicking in screaming in to this. And it's not enough.
This is quite simple, if Trump doesn't help these people the chances are they flip and help themselves. And he ain't helping.
The unknown reason is that trump was still president.I certainly agree that there are a lot of people willing to tell the truth, and potentially give evidence against Trump, but there is still a long way to go before he's in jail.
Don't forget also that Michael Cohen went to prison for Trump, who was sole beneficiary of Cohen's actions, and for some unknown reason remained an unindicted co-conspirator in that case.
Ah yes. I'd forgotten about that pesky DoJ opinion memo.The unknown reason is that trump was still president.
The unknown reason is that trump was still president.
And prosecutors have to way it up. You have to ask why is Navarro going to jail but Gym Jordan seems to get a pass for the exact same offence. There may be some legal technicality we don't know.The unknown reason is that trump was still president.
Unless he’s the new Teflon Don.And prosecutors have to way it up. You have to ask why is Navarro going to jail but Gym Jordan seems to get a pass for the exact same offence. There may be some legal technicality we don't know.
But looking at the wider Trump woes and given the number of cases, you have to assume something will stick.