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ChicagoBlue said:
The notion of norms will be considered both quaint and antiquated once the radical right wing agenda starts to unfold.

They’ve given you the playbook. With a Republican Senate, House and SCOTUS, America will wonder what hit it by 2028, and even the notion of a presidential election cycle might be a wistful musing by then!

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Take it you haven’t applied...

Those 30-90minute online training sessions will surely deliver the leaders the country desperately needs.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
If Trump wins the Presidency, it's game over for Democracy in America, probably for decades.

There's plans afoot already, in America, for how he next President can scrap all government agencies and replace them with, well, nothing, resulting in largely regulation free governance.

On the world stage, Trump will withdraw, except where his base seems expedient.

You might see China's influence on world mattes as inevitable... I don't. But if Trump is President, I'd cede this point.
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The increasing influence of China and India on world matters in this century appears inevitable, though if Trump wins again and adopts an isolationist position, it will only happen sooner.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I didn’t say America deserved Trump, that was someone else. I merely posted a clip of two actors saying Fuck you asshole.

I very much hope Trump doesn’t get in or if he does, he doesn’t make it to January due to his age.
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The problem with your post, if not intended as a condemnation of what I said, is that, it's basically a condemnation of what I said.
 
Gabriel said:
I'd say 1860 was a tad starker but in our lifetimes, yes.

If Trump wins, it's going to be interesting to see what he can actually achieve beyond all the bluster. To all intents and purposes, as you say, he'll be sitting as a one-term President, so does that render him a lame duck from the start, or does knowing that the clock is ticking prompt him to do something radical? And how radical can he be? Global power in this century is shifting to the east and to other players, but one senses that Trump's actions may ultimately be seen as having accelerated that shift.
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Excuse my ignorance on this, I know American Presidents can only do two terms of office, but is there any way the orange shitgibbon could change that if he gets into the White House, or is it set in stone, two terms max?
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I am not bothered if he gets in or not now. America deserve what they want. Democracy needs to learn.
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Funny how I don’t feel the same (somewhat callous) way about the UK and Brexit. I feel bad that folks there are suffering. And unlike Trump, who is going to die someday, Brexit’s changes largely won’t.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Those of us who live here do not want your flippancy to end our way of life.

It’s REAL here. And, will become REAL to the rest of the world if we take the chains off this clown.

Accordingly, it’s a sentiment many might share.
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I wasnt being flippant, or trying to end your way of life whatever that means.

Your country are voting in a dickhead, they deserve all they get if they vote him in again... Quite the opposite of flippant, I am being serious, those who vote for that schmuck need to learn what he is capable of because I cant quite believe that the US are going to vote in a guy who tried to overthrow their own govn. Fucked up.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
What else might it be interpreted as?

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ​

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You wrote Fuck you asshole. I posted a clip of two actors saying the same.

We don’t say asshole over here. Therefore our exposure to the phrase is from films.

It was supposed to be a jokey reply, to which we now have this!
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Funny how I don’t feel the same (somewhat callous) way about the UK and Brexit. I feel bad that folks there are suffering. And unlike Trump, who is going to die someday, Brexit’s changes largely won’t.
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Well I am fed up with it, I am frustrated he will get in again, and I am dissapointed America will bring that twat to the world again. You take it peronally if you like, I dont take it personal that out govn have reduced this country to a laughing stock, certainly would tell y'all to FUCKOFF or whatever you said.
 
Big Joe Corrigan said:
Excuse my ignorance on this, I know American Presidents can only do two terms of office, but is there any way the orange shitgibbon could change that if he gets into the White House, or is it set in stone, two terms max?
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Yes, he can only serve one more term unless the Constitution is amended, which is most unlikely. Grover Cleveland did similar in serving two non-consecutive terms.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I wasnt being flippant, or trying to end your way of life whatever that means.

Your country are voting in a dickhead, they deserve all they get if they vote him in again... Quite the opposite of flippant, I am being serious, those who vote for that schmuck need to learn what he is capable of because I cant quite believe that the US are going to vote in a guy who tried to overthrow their own govn. Fucked up.
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The “they” of which you speak will be a distinct minority, if history is a teacher, and the results of that minority will reach you.

It’s like sitting in the house, while your arsonist son is trying to burn it down.

“Go ahead! You’re just going to have to learn the hard way!”

Meanwhile, we all die in the conflagration!

THIS cannot be one of those times when the normal people sit back and say. “You’ll regret it!” because WE ARE ALL part of that “you,” not just the loons who make the choice!
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Well I am fed up with it, I am frustrated he will get in again, and I am dissapointed America will bring that twat to the world again. You take it peronally if you like, I dont take it personal that out govn have reduced this country to a laughing stock, certainly would tell y'all to FUCKOFF or whatever you said.
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That wasn’t me who said that mate.

The entirety of the Democratic system, just like that of, say, currency and effectively all human interaction is built on TRUST. We make compacts and agreements; sometimes one side fails to live up to them; there are consequences when that happens that are negative for the party which does. But if those enTRUSTED to enforce those consequences refuse to, then the entire system breaks down.

And this is what we have — the greatest betrayal of rank and file Americans by the GOP in the history of the nation, which has refused to pull its support from, as you say, a man who is a traitor to the country and has been very clear in his plan to enforce the tenets of an authoritarian regime.

It’s not enough to blame voters. Trump shouldn’t be a choice and wouldn’t be if the GOP acted in the best interests of America rather than of specific individuals afraid to lose their own elected jobs by standing up to fight him.

When history reviews this episode, it is they — cowards, traitors, grifters, self-focused, derelict in their duties — who will be blamed. And that’s who you, now, should be blaming.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
That wasn’t me who said that mate.

The entirety of the Democratic system, just like that of, say, currency and effectively all human interaction is built on TRUST. We make compacts and agreements; sometimes one side fails to live up to them; there are consequences when that happens that are negative for the party which does. But if those enTRUSTED to enforce those consequences refuse to, then the entire system breaks down.

And this is what we have — the greatest betrayal of rank and file Americans by the GOP in the history of the nation, which has refused to pull its support from, as you say, a man who is a traitor to the country and has been very clear in his plan to enforce the tenets of an authoritarian regime.

It’s not enough to blame voters. Trump shouldn’t be a choice and wouldn’t be if the GOP acted in the best interests of America rather than of specific individuals afraid to lose their own elected jobs by standing up to fight him.

When history reviews this episode, it is they — cowards, traitors, grifters, self-focused, derelict in their duties — who will be blamed. And that’s who you, now, should be blaming.
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I would imagine that historians will also want to turn an eye to the systems that enabled the situation to arise in the first place and then to reappear.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I wasnt being flippant, or trying to end your way of life whatever that means.

Your country are voting in a dickhead, they deserve all they get if they vote him in again... Quite the opposite of flippant, I am being serious, those who vote for that schmuck need to learn what he is capable of because I cant quite believe that the US are going to vote in a guy who tried to overthrow their own govn. Fucked up.
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Exactly this
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Just so.

I think though, that it's a new age. Social media and instant news informs voters.

I think that Presidential debates are dead from now on... unless it's a very close race and both candidates feel that a debate is to their advantage.
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They should do a roast battle on tiktok
 
Gabriel said:
I would imagine that historians will also want to turn an eye to the systems that enabled the situation to arise in the first place and then to reappear.
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What systems? Campaign finance? I could see that. But the system has functioned for quite awhile pretty well without a criminal totalitarian-worshipping charlatan getting past the front gates. I laid out how and why. Lack of understanding of what he was led to his election. But his renomination or ability to run again should never have happened. And there is no way to legislate the breaking of trust if there are no consequences for those that break it.
 
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