US Politics Thread

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Anyone other than Harris or Biden.
I bet any decent Dem would have had a better chance.

You are going to tell me it was all about the money, aren't you. That prohibited a decent alternative. Bloody sad state of affairs if so...the greatest "democracy" in the world dictated to by the amount a party/nominee has? And how much that money influences who can run?

Quite shocking really.

Anyway, I'll leave you to it. To what I posted originally; don't ignore or belittle what the opposition has to say. Sometimes there is some truth in it.

1. Sigh. Yet again, another proselytizer who can't answer this fundamental question.

2. No I've said nothing nor would say anything about money. What prevented an alternative decent or no was -- as I've said approximately 39,284 times -- Biden not announcing he was a one-term President either after he won or, at the latest, after the midterms. That was a terrible error.

3. The outcome is shocking, yes.

4. Name one thing MAGA doesn't belittle about every single possible right wing centrist, true centrist, left wing or progressive party plank or politician. Literally ONE thing. But every non-MAGA type is supposed to turn the other cheek? You can probably understand why that's hard.

5. I am sure as fuck going to belittle bleach in the veins to cure COVID, Jewish space lasers, kiddy-fiddling attorney generals, that women should be banned from voting, Supreme Court judges who don't disclose private airplane rides to Aruba and thousands of people who invade the Capitol because the election didn't turn out their way.

Shouldn't we?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

That's pretty awful to be fair.

Yeah, it was. But you didn't answer the question. What was my alternative?

That's where we are as a country, mate.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Anyone other than Harris or Biden.
I bet any decent Dem would have had a better chance.

You are going to tell me it was all about the money, aren't you. That prohibited a decent alternative. Bloody sad state of affairs if so...the greatest "democracy" in the world dictated to by the amount a party/nominee has? And how much that money influences who can run?

Quite shocking really.

Anyway, I'll leave you to it. To what I posted originally; don't ignore or belittle what the opposition has to say. Sometimes there is some truth in it.

You are forgetting the media's part in all this. Gavin Newsome was a viable option at one point, but MSM turned their noses up at him because he 'had baggage'. Candidates need momentum to generate campaign funds and without positive media coverage, they're dead in the water.

Given the orchestrated media campaign against Biden with such a short time to go Harris was the ONLY viable option. The problem was, she was playing to a different set of media standards to the guy who won. I wasn't a level playing field, and that would have been the case whoever the Dem's nominated.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

You are forgetting the media's part in all this. Gavin Newsome was a viable option at one point, but MSM turned their noses up at him because he 'had baggage'. Candidates need momentum to generate campaign funds and without positive media coverage, they're dead in the water.

Given the orchestrated media campaign against Biden with such a short time to go Harris was the ONLY viable option. The problem was, she was playing to a different set of media standards to the guy who won. I wasn't a level playing field, and that would have been the case whoever the Dem's nominated.

I'VE already turned my nose up at Newsom. He'd have gotten TORCHED by Trump.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I'VE already turned my nose up at Newsom. He'd have gotten TORCHED by Trump.

I think given a longer run up and some momentum in the media, he might have been in with a shout, but I admit it would have been a stretch. The Biden situation aside, there really was nobody else bar perhaps Pete Buttigieg, but given that a lot of people turned their noses up at a black woman I'd hate to think how an openly gay man would fair.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I think given a longer run up and some momentum in the media, he might have been in with a shout, but I admit it would have been a stretch. The Biden situation aside, there really was nobody else bar perhaps Pete Buttigieg, but given that a lot of people turned their noses up at a black woman I'd hate to think how an openly gay man would fair.

Newsom just bought a 9M house near SF; he’d have been portrayed as a spoiled rich kid and MAGA would have believed it while Trump wasn’t of course. Buttigieg would have been rejected on the “being gay is a step away from being trans” platform and gotten smashed.

There isn’t anyone, not even Walz, who is the polar opposite to Trump in every way. I feel confident if Trump were coronated for life with Don Jr in the wings, the vast majority of those who voted for him would support it. He’s a folk hero. That’s not the Dems fault.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Awesome again.

WHO SPECIFICALLY?

It's not rocket science when you don't put up a name or names.

Tbh mate, out of several hundred million people to choose from it's sort of up to the democrats to make better choices rather than a poster on here. If you still think Harris was a good choice we have a bridge and some magic beans you can buy.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Tbh mate, out of several hundred million people to choose from it's sort of up to the democrats to make better choices rather than a poster on here. If you still think Harris was a good choice we have a bridge and some magic beans you can buy.

No, I just expect people who claim to know what the problem is to offer solutions.

Otherwise their claims of knowing what the problem is are specious.

Every time I ask questions like “Who should Democrats have picked?” or “What policies could Democrats espouse that MAGA would like?” or “Why do those who voted for Trump forgive his law-breaking, past, character, or mistakes as actual President?” etc etc etc, I get non-responses.

My conclusion is if you’re going to vote for Trump, there’s no one you won’t vote for against him. In 2016, when he was loosely more of an unknown, I could see it. Not after his administration, Jan 6 and then his conviction, among many many things.

“That’s how bad Harris was” is a shitbag answer if you can’t offer up a solution. And you can’t not because you’re stupid — you can’t because there isn’t one.

Democrats will have to out-Trump Trump if they want to win — whatever that means.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

No, I just expect people who claim to know what the problem is to offer solutions.

Otherwise their claims of knowing what the problem is are specious.

Every time I ask questions like “Who should Democrats have picked?” or “What policies could Democrats espouse that MAGA would like?” or “Why do those who voted for Trump forgive his law-breaking, past, character, or mistakes as actual President?” etc etc etc, I get non-responses.

My conclusion is if you’re going to vote for Trump, there’s no one you won’t vote for against him. In 2016, when he was loosely more of an unknown, I could see it. Not after his administration, Jan 6 and then his conviction, among many many things.

“That’s how bad Harris was” is a shitbag answer if you can’t offer up a solution. And you can’t not because you’re stupid — you can’t because there isn’t one.

Democrats will have to out-Trump Trump if they want to win — whatever that means.

Harris wasn't terrible, she was ok. I think you've sorted of answered your own question, it's out trump trump or actually come up with someone who can articulate a clear vision rather than just repeat clichés. Starmer was similar here with his muddled policy u turns and constant bollocks about his dad being a toolmaker. Fortunately for him the previous govt were so poor we voted for him just to get rid of them. Harris didn't have that advantage because she was the government.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Tbh mate, out of several hundred million people to choose from it's sort of up to the democrats to make better choices rather than a poster on here. If you still think Harris was a good choice we have a bridge and some magic beans you can buy.

This was the one-shot to save democracy. If you've properly digested and understood Project 2025 you'd know that the few of us on her shouting '5-Alarm Fire' were not joking. Democracy as we know it in the USA is fucked for generations, and the knock on effect will have dire consequences globally.