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The perfect fumble said:
You should take a look at this...

The Coddling of the American Mind​


The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure is a 2018 book by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt. It is an expansion of a popular essay the two wrote for The Atlantic in 2015. Lukianoff and Haidt argue that overprotection is harming university students and that the use of trigger warnings and safe spaces does more harm than good.

Overview​

Lukianoff and Haidt argue that many problems on campus have their origins in three "great untruths" that have become prominent in education: "What doesn’t kill you makes you weaker"; "always trust your feelings"; and "life is a battle between good people and evil people". The authors state that these three "great untruths" contradict modern psychology and ancient wisdom from many cultures

The book goes on to discuss microaggressions, identity politics, "safetyism", call-out culture, and intersectionality The authors define safetyism as a culture or belief system in which safety (which includes "emotional safety") has become a sacred value, which means that people become unwilling to make trade offs demanded by other practical and moral concerns. They argue that embracing the culture of safetyism has interfered with young people’s social, emotional, and intellectual development. Continuing to discuss contemporary partisanship or the "rising political polarization and cross party animosity", they state that the left and right are "locked into a game of mutual provocation and reciprocal outrage".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coddling_of_the_American_Mind
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I have. Im a fan of Haidt and a fire member. Went to s lot of the talks at NYU when i lived in thr City.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
If he insists on keeping his stupid tariffs in place - Trump is stubborn enough that he may well do exactly that, and then blame inflation and the crashing economy on - I don't know - Obama? Hillary? Hunter Biden's Laptop?

Likely though he'll course-correct, drop the tariffs and claim victory, and his sheeple will lap it up.
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You know and I know no matter how much damage he does to the US economy and even to the pockets of his base they'll still adore him. They are too far gone and willing to sacrifice things that hurt them to get one over on the Libs. As Trump will blame them no matter what.
 
TonyM said:
Liverpool fans don't think they are in a cult either.


Then again neither do we realise that we are in the City cult.
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Exactly. Im sure the "anti-Trump no matter what" don't realize they are in a cult either...

Who is the Dear Leader? Foggy? Personally, i'd have him dethroned and install you :) We need someone less Trumpian to lead the anti Trump movement.
 
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The blue phantom said:
You know and I know no matter how much damage he does to the US economy and even to the pockets of his base they'll still adore him. They are too far gone and willing to sacrifice things that hurt them to get one over on the Libs. As Trump will blame them no matter what.
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The hardcore MAGA will certainly be with him (30ish percent of the Republican party), but the swing voter and the rest of the Republican party are not going to stand for substantially higher prices for goods they're buying no matter what.

Trump is a political creature - if his polls take a nose dive and the stock market crashes - I fully expect him to back off the tariffs.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I've not read it, but Google is my friend...

"Cultural Literacy" represents the tradition of pluralism in the United States of America. Hirsch also suggests that critical-thinking skills should always be predicated on relevant knowledge: one cannot think critically unless one has a lot of relevant knowledge about the issue at hand.

Not too long ago in a bunch of now deleted posts, we touched on a topic that is understandably very close to your heart, I have no desire to revisit it, I really mean that.

However, in the course of the "debate" you accused me of lying regarding my association with a particular group, implying that my motives were not grounded in "relevant knowledge about the issue at hand" but motivated instead, to put it mildly, by prejudice.

You are, of course, at liberty to express that opinion, but what it did expose is that progressives view pluralism entirely on their own terms. All the panoply of wonderful, warm and empathetic things they believe and vigorously promote is what pluralism is really all about. All those who oppose these wonderful enlightened things are, at best, ill informed and stupid and therefore incapable of "critical thinking about the issue at hand", they're reactionary, at worst bigots, liars and fascists.

Right now social media is infested with progressives ranting about the terrible state of things and when they're not ranting or engaging in purity inquisitions, they're thrusting microphones at Trump supporters ridiculing how stupid and wrong they are and conversely how enlightened and right on progressives are. While this is all very comforting because it reinforces a simple stereotype, one you alluded to in the quoted post, that the likes of Dax777 don't get it because they're too stupid and should educate themselves by reading "Cultural Literacy" or any book without pictures in it. Have you ever considered that Dax777, and others like him, don't get it not because they're incapable, but because you can't sell it, and that you can't sell it because what you're selling doesn't stand up?
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You have described Foggy to a Tee... But let him trll it, he is a centrist of all central positions in the most center of concentric center circles...


Did you know he once voted for Romney? Romney I tell yah!!! He voted for Romney!!! How much more Center bonafide do you need?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
When do we think the first asylum seeker from the US crosses the channel in a dinghy?
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She already did. Ellen Degeneres. Apparently she left the day Trump won in protest. Has some kinda Castle somewhere over there.

Apparently, she got bored and has been spotted at LAX. Lol
 
Dax777 said:
Exactly. Im sure the "anti-Trump no matter what" don't realize they are in a cult either...

Who is the Dear Leader? Foggy? Personally, i'd have him dethroned and install you :) We need someone less Trumpian to lead the anti Trump movement.
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If there was some to lead an antiTrump cult there probably wouldn't be a Trump cult.
 
Dax777 said:
She already did. Ellen Degeneres. Apparently she left the day Trump won in protest. Has some kinda Castle somewhere over there.

Apparently, she got bored and has been spotted at LAX. Lol
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Why would you not leave if you had the resources to do so?

It’s going to be a complete circus for the next 4 years, whatever your political opinion is.
 
TonyM said:
If there was some to lead an antiTrump cult there probably wouldn't be a Trump cult.
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A counter cult can still be a cult you know. I mean some would argue the Trump cult itself is a counter cult.

Anyway, my point was simply that in so far as I'm in a cult i don't know about, od be more inclined to leave it if you led the decultification. :)

The likes of Foggy and Across the Pond could only induce the opposite effect of the outcomes they hope to achieve.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
True. The first fortnight is a pretty reasonable gauge though.
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Could be. But also possible its just the effect of installing their plans. Him and his crew have had 4 years of working on their plan without the burden of actually running a government.

So they came in prepared with all the changes they want enacted. And they have the first 100 days to ser up and then till the midterm trun their program.

Once midterms elections come in 2 years he probably loses Congress and becomes a lame duck.

So we have 2 years of Dems trying to find their candidate. I assume by then we will know where we stand. Whether his plan has improved things or not.

Democrats sill cry it hasn't, and Republicans will point ro results of whare it has..

The exact inverse of what we had 6 months ago.
 
Dax777 said:
Could be. But also possible its just the effect of installing their plans. Him and his crew have had 4 years of working on their plan without the burden of actually running a government.

So they came in prepared with all the changes they want enacted. And they have the first 100 days to ser up and then till the midterm trun their program.

Once midterms elections come in 2 years he probably loses Congress and becomes a lame duck.

So we have 2 years of Dems trying to find their candidate. I assume by then we will know where we stand. Whether his plan has improved things or not.

Democrats sill cry it hasn't, and Republicans will point ro results of whare it has..

The exact inverse of what we had 6 months ago.
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Super.

Still doesn’t stop the first fortnight being a car, or maybe it should be plane crash.

I note you’re not commenting on the tariff situation. Perhaps the higher prices need to affect you before you begin to understand the harm that all this can cause.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Super.

Still doesn’t stop the first fortnight being a car, or maybe it should be plane crash.

I note you’re not commenting on the tariff situation. Perhaps the higher prices need to affect you before you begin to understand the harm that all this can cause.
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You spoke too soon :)
 
Dax777 said:
Could be. But also possible its just the effect of installing their plans. Him and his crew have had 4 years of working on their plan without the burden of actually running a government.

So they came in prepared with all the changes they want enacted. And they have the first 100 days to ser up and then till the midterm trun their program.

Once midterms elections come in 2 years he probably loses Congress and becomes a lame duck.

So we have 2 years of Dems trying to find their candidate. I assume by then we will know where we stand. Whether his plan has improved things or not.

Democrats sill cry it hasn't, and Republicans will point ro results of whare it has..

The exact inverse of what we had 6 months ago.
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I’ve had the post midterm election lame duck expressed from both sides in here but please explain again.
Dax you state he most probably loses Congress. If his policies were to work why would this be?
Is this an admission that what he puts forward in the first two years, won’t work or that the fruits of his labour are not something the American electorate are liable to to wait for, in which case this system seems flawed and doomed to perpetual to and fro.
 
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