US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

[LangleyBlue1970]

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

 

[Middedon]

Re abortion: Doesn't repealing Roe v Wade place abortion rights in the remit of the individual states? I read some states were voting on abortion issues as well as the presidential election. Maybe there is a realpolitik answer here but doesn't that now provide a buffer between him and abortion rights?

I posted on this earlier but there are lots of things they can do make it an effective ban, even if it’s not actually banned. Banning the medicine is one (most abortions are medical, meaning you just take a pill). They can prevent doctors from being trained in the procedure (withholding funds from state universities, etc.) or require certain licensing and insurance that makes it difficult . You can put certain laws around the actual facilities - they have to be within certain distance from hospital, etc.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Looking at the results in hindsight, the Democrats would probably have needed a transformational candidate ( an Obama or Clinton) type orator to give them a chance of winning.

In fairness, the built in dislike for Trump that many had, and the full throated support from the media that Democrats had made this 'seem' potentially closer than it really was...

Bur the people simply stuck to their reality. It's the economy, stupid!

Fair enough Dax. You stuck to your guns all along.
(Some just kept them handy in case he lost ;-) )

Do you think his policies will improve the American economy and how?

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Fewer people appear to have voted Trump than in 2020. But a mass of people who turned out for the Democrats and Biden in 2020 did not turn out at all. What that tells me is that Trump's core base was going to vote for him not on the basis of what he says, but on the basis of, fantasmatically, what he is for them. I heard a clip from one of his supporters on the radio, this morning: “I voted for him because he's not a politician.” There you have it.
Conversely, Harris did not galvanise that huge chunk of people who are not hardcore Democrat voters and who may turn out or may not.

I really don't know what's up ahead. For America. Or for the world.

 

[Paolo]

ChicagoBlue, you represent the kind of opinion Americans tend to reject every time. The idea that they are stupid, and you know best what's good for them .

You’re saying they’re NOT stupid? Who’s going to want to admit they’re stupid? That’s the problem with stupid people - they don’t know they’re stupid.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

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[Middedon]

Fewer people appear to have voted Trump than in 2020. But a mass of people who turned out for the Democrats and Biden in 2020 did not turn out at all. What that tells me is that Trump's core base was going to vote for him not on the basis of what he says, but on the basis of, fantasmatically, what he is for them. I heard a clip from one of his supporters on the radio, this morning: “I voted for him because he's not a politician.” There you have it.
Conversely, Harris did not galvanise that huge chunk of people who are not hardcore Democrat voters and who may turn out or may not.

I really don't know what's up ahead. For America. Or for the world.

We see this at a local level in my town. Whenever we vote to increase the school budgets, the same number of people always vote no. It’s the yes vote that varies and thus it’s totally dependent on turnout. (And in my town, the no vote aligns nearly exactly with the R vote).

 

[mackenzie]

I posted on this earlier but there are lots of things they can do make it an effective ban, even if it’s not actually banned. Banning the medicine is one (most abortions are medical, meaning you just take a pill). They can prevent doctors from being trained in the procedure (withholding funds from state universities, etc.) or require certain licensing and insurance that makes it difficult . You can put certain laws around the actual facilities - they have to be within certain distance from hospital, etc.

As another woman who has gone through a similar procedure to yourself (many years ago) , I completely empathize with you.
The whole procedure is horrific. It leaves you drained, distraught and bereft.
I've never forgotten it, and it still gives me nightmares

Yet I also think that "abortion on demand" is also horrific. I probably feel that way because of what I went through, and can't understand how some women go down that other route.

There needs to be a balance

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I posted on this earlier but there are lots of things they can do make it an effective ban, even if it’s not actually banned. Banning the medicine is one (most abortions are medical, meaning you just take a pill). They can prevent doctors from being trained in the procedure (withholding funds from state universities, etc.) or require certain licensing and insurance that makes it difficult . You can put certain laws around the actual facilities - they have to be within certain distance from hospital, etc.

There was one law enacted in one state (probably Texas) that required a hospital bed (the big thing with lots of motors and buttons and the like) rather than a gurney, had to be able to be moved from room to room.

This meant most abortion clinics would have to be rebuilt, extensively remodeled, or moved. These places often run on donations and funds from Planned Parenthood.

You can remove medical care up to and including abortion from state medical policies (insurance is state-regulated in America, so there are 50 different standards for ALL insurance!).

You can ban the medicine, which was recently tried under the auspices of it was not tested on a certain cohort and could be dangerous to the mother…in this case under 18s who had been the victims of rape or incest. Many drugs are not tested on minors/children and can only be used by adults, unless the FDA makes an exception.

What do you think will happen to any such exceptions now?

The list is endless, but it can mean changing one line, or even one word, in a current law.