Prestwich_Blue
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US/UK launch strikes against Houthi rebels in Yemen
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Rascal
El Presidente
I take it you are Jewish pal and your post is right that Jews have been persecuted for decades, centuries even.Look you and most of society have lost track of who the real victims are, the Israelis were the innocents who were slaughtered. If you’re really being serious talking about genocide then it’s very clear that the real genocide has been persecuted against the Jewish people. The Jewish people in Arab Countries have been murdered and persecuted to such an extreme that there are now minuscule amounts of Jewish people living across the majority of Muslim countries. I’m not here to argue as this is wasted energy but I find it alarming how deluded large swathes of society are on this subject!
What i will take issue with you is that even in Iran, Iran Jewish community is officially recognized as a religious minority group by the government, and, like the Zoroastrians and Christians, they are allocated one seat in the Iranian Parliament. OK thats not much but democracy in that region aint great.
My real worry is that the Jews and Isreal are being used not by muslims but the US Evangelists who pose a far bigger threat to world peace than any other group. They want the "rapture" and believe it is coming in Jerusalem, thats why they love Trump who moved the embassy there.
I am on the far left and i am assumed to be an anti semite, which is madness, Karl Marx was a Jew and the danger of mixing political beliefs with religious beliefs is crazy. Rees Mogg claims he is a christian but he is a ****.
As for the real victims, they are people, people like me and you, without power, without a voice, killing them does not not make things better.
cleavers
Moderator
The real victims in this thread though are rebels from the houthi "government" in Yemen, not the official Yemen government, who are attacking international shipping, and fully deserved to be victims for not refraining.As for the real victims, they are people, people like me and you, without power, without a voice, killing them does not not make things better.
Yes they (houthi rebels) have linked it to the hamas v israel conflict, but it's much more related to iran v the west, so lets stay on topic :)
Johnny Mars Bar
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Idiotic cunts.
Well considering there’s been more than a tiny minority expressing the view that “Bin Laden had a point” I’m not the least bit surprised.
MillionMilesAway
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Pretty certain I heard Shapps say the attack on the Houthis was 'a lesson' for them. At least twice he called them thugs or thuggish.
Johnny Mars Bar
Well-Known Member
Think we should divert the boats around the Cape of Good Hope for now, swallow the inflationary effect and tax large corporations via a windfall tax to cover the cost to the poorest in our society.
We should avoid escalating this when there are practical, albeit painful alternatives available.
Long term, this type of situation is only going to get worse as drone technology becomes more ubiquitous. The world’s poor are getting better at asserting themselves. This obviously includes in relation to migration as well as disrupting international trade.
Yeah let’s just let a load of terrorists dictate global trade routes, that’ll end well.
gordondaviesmoustache
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You think continuing to bomb the Middle East will end well?Yeah let’s just let a load of terrorists dictate global trade routes, that’ll end well.
Democracy and representation in that region has never existed, mostly because of religious bigotry, racism and discrimination. Iran turned a corner over a decade ago but instead of moderately aligning to the west it has turned towards a pariah state whose politics is fuelled by hatred. It is also supported by the axis of Chia and Russia who again seek to counter the west. Let's face it, any country that shoots political dissidents isn't exactly going to be agreeable or a nice place.I take it you are Jewish pal and your post is right that Jews have been persecuted for decades, centuries even.
What i will take issue with you is that even in Iran, Iran Jewish community is officially recognized as a religious minority group by the government, and, like the Zoroastrians and Christians, they are allocated one seat in the Iranian Parliament. OK thats not much but democracy in that region aint great.
My real worry is that the Jews and Isreal are being used not by muslims but the US Evangelists who pose a far bigger threat to world peace than any other group. They want the "rapture" and believe it is coming in Jerusalem, thats why they love Trump who moved the embassy there.
I am on the far left and i am assumed to be an anti semite, which is madness, Karl Marx was a Jew and the danger of mixing political beliefs with religious beliefs is crazy. Rees Mogg claims he is a christian but he is a ****.
As for the real victims, they are people, people like me and you, without power, without a voice, killing them does not not make things better.
Take Yemen for example, less than 0.05% of the Yemeni population is non-Muslim and an even smaller proportion are Jews, you will see more people in your local Aldi than Jews in the whole country of Yemen. These are Muslim states under Muslim rule, minorities who aren't Muslim are persecuted and have lesser rights, freedom of religion is sometimes even proscribed as illegal. This is the kind of state that Palestinians or at least certainly Hamas wishes for, if they didn't and this was purely about land then why would they have a problem being absorbed into Israel?
Funnily enough nearly every Muslim state and many Muslims regard that Israel should not exist. This sentiment only fades as you travel into the west or with westernised Arab nations where westernised Muslims have a different view of the world. The west is therefore the only counterbalance between the persecution of the Jews in the Middle East. Without western support Israel would not exist, Jewish people would in the end be persecuted and forced to live in the west.
Ask yourself why are these countries fighting Israel? How does war help the Palestinians? What have the Houthis, Hezbollah or even Hamas done to actually help the Palestinians? Why won't the Arab nations take Palestinians refugees or help with aid? I think the UK and US has sent more aid to the Palestinians than any other Arab nation.
This has nothing to do with the Israeli state, for many people such as yourself Rascal and others on the left you won't stand up for the Israeli state because to you Israel represents American influence and capitalism. You are therefore programmed to take action for the Palestinian cause. However you must realise that it's different for Muslims and especially Muslims in the region. For them it's all about the Jews and the religious significance of the land that Israel stands on, it always has been.
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I'm never going to feel comfortable about a joint US-UK operation wheremost of our allies either think the situation doesn't require military intervention or doesn't require their intervention.
They're saying the Houthi's are putting world trade in danger, and yet only 1 of the world's 5 biggest exporter's seems to think it requires getting involved militarily.
End result is that we've tied ourselves to another American military operation, I would much rather we'd just played a logistical and intelligence role like Aus and Canada.
They're saying the Houthi's are putting world trade in danger, and yet only 1 of the world's 5 biggest exporter's seems to think it requires getting involved militarily.
End result is that we've tied ourselves to another American military operation, I would much rather we'd just played a logistical and intelligence role like Aus and Canada.
The Houthis have attacked Royal Navy ships in international waters, why shouldn't there be a response? What should our response be when a Royal Navy ship is attacked and sailors are killed? You'd think that was the intention of the Houthis or why are they bothering?I'm never going to feel comfortable about a joint US-UK operation wheremost of our allies either think the situation doesn't require military intervention or doesn't require their intervention.
They're saying the Houthi's are putting world trade in danger, and yet only 1 of the world's 5 biggest exporter's seems to think it requires getting involved militarily.
End result is that we've tied ourselves to another American military operation, I would much rather we'd just played a logistical and intelligence role like Aus and Canada.
Those other countries are playing a logistical role for a simple reason, it doesn't affect them. Australia and Canada are not threatened because the majority of their imports/exports come from Asia via the Pacific.
For the UK and Europe we literally rely completely on the Suez Canal for virtually all imports from Asia, if not then it all has to go around Africa which more than doubles the transit time. Of course exporters don't give a toss, they can just treble their prices overnight and we'll have to pay it.