mexico1970
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Doesn't anyone else feel that a little bit of soul has been taken out of the game? The human element of the ref was a big talking point and that's gone.
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Var debate 2019/20
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This is my first google result of measurement error. https://www.statisticshowto.datasciencecentral.com/measurement-error/Until they can get round the fact that at 25 camera frames per second, the margin of error can be up to about a foot, they need to think again about using it for millimetre margins.
Thinking about it, the margin of error is going to be proportional to the closing speed of the attacker and defender and it should not be impossible to allow for that error in the calculation.
It relates to measurements in general, rulers etc. Think about a plastic ruler with a 1 mm marks. What is your level of precision? 0.5mm. You cannot with confidence make an measurement more precisely than that with a ruler. Take the same principle and apply it to video-editing two actions: striking a ball and measuring distance between defender and forward. It's going to be complex, and there has to be a margin where VAR can not be confident in its call, and therefore FIFA, or whoever rules in these matters, is logically going to have to change the rules.
I am very pleased that people in football are reacting to what they are seeing, and quickly. This is to their credit.
To be fair, the VAR system may well have some positives but they should be open. When Stones saved the world from a Liverpool title win, they showed us the proof. Notably the calls re West Ham have not been shown properly. There have been images, but then they haven't proven that they were captured at the moment the ball was played (whatever that means). And they wont because I believe it makes all the difference.
VAR is not dead. But the offside law is. Only a matter of time now. I reckon VAR will evolve. They'll probably bring in some restrictions and guidelines on what it should be used for.
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Doesn't anyone else feel that a little bit of soul has been taken out of the game? The human element of the ref was a big talking point and that's gone.
Yeah, probably, but the moment the narrative changed to managers screaming abuse at the officials in the press, the advent of social media for fans to do the same, and technology to reduce human errors, there was only one path that we were all going down.
Yes ref and his officials were part of the game. Now they are undermined. Some other refs are making his decisions but we don't see them.Doesn't anyone else feel that a little bit of soul has been taken out of the game? The human element of the ref was a big talking point and that's gone.
mexico1970
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Yeah, probably, but the moment the narrative changed to managers screaming abuse at the officials in the press, the advent of social media for fans to do the same, and technology to reduce human errors, there was only one path that we were all going down.
We should go the whole Hog and use drones sack all the human officials and have the police arrest players on the pitch if they are guilty of an offense, if the refs were being fired off VAR would have died like it should have done.
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We should go the whole Hog and use drones sack all the human officials and have the police arrest players on the pitch if they are guilty of an offense, if the refs were being fired off VAR would have died like it should have done.
Robots for players too. They'll make less mistakes soon.
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Of course not, but Shirley that is last seasons narrative. We spent a great deal of time on Saturday agonisingly watching dean & co desperately trying to PROVE our goals were illegal. Indeed dean was touching his shoulder frantically for ages after the man in a van had projected a subjective downward lines. We then learned that any part of your body that can legally score a goal is the criteria for offside. OK look at the still on the last page & rashfords big head is in front.
Someone has said it was checked OK where is the downward line & any other necessary evidence ?
Note richardtheref on here who is fully qualified is quite clear that the laws says that the top of the arm/shoulder is handball and that it shouldn’t have been used for the offside call.
mexico1970
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Robots for players too. They'll make less mistakes soon.
Robots are people too.
See the film AI. Trashed by the media. I loved it.Robots are people too.
As a small aside, have you noticed the roles of Duncan Castles and Martyn Ziegler
DC quickly realised the problem with VAR and offside, whilst Ziegler broke the story about rulemaker's disquiet with VAR and offside rule
We have strange and unusual allies for once. In reality this is not a City story of course. It feels like one because we have been at the centre of VAR disputes but that is just coincidence (I think!).
DC quickly realised the problem with VAR and offside, whilst Ziegler broke the story about rulemaker's disquiet with VAR and offside rule
We have strange and unusual allies for once. In reality this is not a City story of course. It feels like one because we have been at the centre of VAR disputes but that is just coincidence (I think!).