Var debate 2019/20

[kaz7]

Clear and obvious doesn’t come into it with an offside leading to a goal. Says so in your own post.

VAR will monitor the matches but will be used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations:

•Goals

Clear and obvious error in goals,what do you read that as?

 

[Corky]

I think that was just the keeper off the line bit, being left to on field officials. The encroachment rule hasn't changed, its just been ignored for years, good if they're going to apply, so long as its consistently done.

Never seen a penalty without encroachment, if they give the sterling offside we could end up with toe on the line decisions, I think they are making it up as they go along.

The contact with the ball isn't instantaneous, so a player could both be onside and offsite when the ball is kicked with the daft margins they are using. In 1994 they were using 'daylight' for normal offside, surely this should be what they use to overrule a linesman that hasn't flagged.

 

[route46]

You are either onside or offside.....there is no middle ground

 

[cleavers]

The contact with the ball isn't instantaneous, so a player could both be onside and offsite when the ball is kicked with the daft margins they are using. In 1994 they were using 'daylight' for normal offside, surely this should be what they use to overrule a linesman that hasn't flagged.

I've no problem with that, I've said earlier that a law change is needed.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Forgive me if this is obvious, but where do they measure the shoulder starting given a shoulder in this interpretation can be given offside?

 

[chesterbells]

The offside rule needs to be changed if there is even a remote chance for it to work, and not be the main talking point every week.

Changed how, mate?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You are either onside or offside.....there is no middle ground

Good job he was given offside, then.

 

[cleavers]

Changed how, mate?

Easily, if any part of the attacker is onside, he's onside.

 

[SWP's back]

VAR will monitor the matches but will be used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations:

•Goals

Clear and obvious error in goals,what do you read that as?

For Christ’s sake, from your own post:

“Factual decisions, such as offside or if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test.”

Every goal is checked for offside. We’ve been aware that would be the case for months.

 

[chesterbells]

I wouldn’t like to be sat near opposition fans having a goal I’ve just celebrated like mad ruled out.. guess fans will have to change the most with var..
Not comfortable with the “when the ball was kicked” ruling .. both could have been given taken away with a microsecond movement on the monitor..
I’d like to see clear daylight being introduced for off side , think it was this many moons ago but still you would get the synario of when was the ball kicked ..

I do agree that the potential for either error, or foul play here, is when the monitor person decides to freeze the frame - the point when a player first makes contact with a ball as they are about to pass it, is not the same point as the point when the ball leaves the players foot. Although tbf, it’s still a whole lot more accurate than using a human being on the touch line, having to look in 2 places at once - or listen to one and look at the other inside an often noisy stadium

 

[deafmanstevo]

Stopping me celebrating now. Think this will be my last year as SC holder, 32 years strong but it’s ruining it for me

I think you are being a bit dramatic there mate.
How many times over the years have we scored a goal , celebrated wildly, only to see the home/away fans giving us the v sign and wanker signs only to realise the linesman has flagged offside.
For me it's the same thing I will still celebrate wildly and if it goes to VAR I will celebrate again!!!!
Its only early days yet give it time.
I think the game will benefit in the end , especially for City

 

[chesterbells]

Easily, if any part of the attacker is onside, he's onside.

I’d like that.
They always used to say the attacking team should get the benefit of any doubt, but it’s not panned out like that.

 

[Fiftyyearsandcounting]

The margin of a few mm offside would have taken Jesus approx 0.006 seconds (1 x 6000th) to cover. If the moment of release of the pass to him is determined by human eye, then no way can the person get it anywhere near 100% accurate.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Walton seemed to imply earlier that technology is being used to decide, which was shown to managers and captains this week.

Yes I noticed that, however, the way decisions are reported to viewers and fans in the stadium is dreadful. So far behind cricket and rugby union.

 

[kaz7]

For Christ’s sake, from your own post:

“Factual decisions, such as offside or if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test.”

Every goal is checked for offside. We’ve been aware that would be the case for months.

I might be being thick but i don't read that the same as you

 

[Corky]

You are either onside or offside.....there is no middle ground

Possible to be both - for example 1. stood over the half way line. 2. Onside wen struck, move offside before the striking of the ball ends.

 

[cleavers]

Yes I noticed that, however, the way decisions are reported to viewers and fans in the stadium is dreadful. So far behind cricket and rugby union.

No argument from me there, the people paying £50 in the stadium should be first to know what's going on, not the last.

 

[dubblue]

Changed how, mate?

Offside should only be given if every part of your body that can score is offside. Or if one part of the body that can score is onside then it’s onside.

 

[Bigg Bigg Blue]

Lets be honest here, if refs and linesmen had been doing their jobs proper over the years and not shown favour to certain teams we would not need VAR

 

[SWP's back]

I might be being thick but i don't read that the same as you

Factual decisions such as offside don’t need to pass the clear and obvious test.

So we know that to be true.

We also know every goal will be checked for offside as they’ve been saying it for months. So every offside, no matter how tight, will be given.