Var debate 2019/20

I hate VAR but am a realist. It is here. We could really learn from cricket in these instances though. For the mm offside ones you could have “refs call” as they do with umpire calls in cricket.
Well that was the idea behind the 'clear and obvious error' rule that they supposedly have. But it doesn't apply to offside, apparently, because obviously the technology is so accurate.
 
Apparently if Rice didnt touch the ball the penalty wouldn't of been retaken.
Don’t know about that waspish,but I remember them saying they were clamping down on encroachment..
3 or 4 West Ham players encroached and a couple of ours I think, but only one touched it Rice, and therefore he was the one that gained an advantage, so it was rightly retaken, and Dean clearly told him, a life lesson for him, as he may still have got there without the encroachment.
 
VAR will completely dehumanize football in the end. The first step will be to start changing the rules to suit VAR.
Spot on. I often wondered how I could wean myself from football to the point where I could finally become an armchair fan (having no desire to be driving 3 hours to Manchester as I become elderly) and VAR is clearly the solution. Just what benefit is there now left for wasting 6 hours traveling, putting 250 miles on my car, spending £40 on fuel to stand in the stadium waiting to celebrate a goal while some tv production engineer scribbles his interpretation of straight lines on whatever frame of film he's decided to analyse. In short, it's bollocks.
 
I didn''t realise that they were literally checking every single goal?

Why can they not have a system where it is either:

1. The ref is not sure and asks?

2. VAR can see something and then intervenes?

Surely pretty simple?
 
I hate VAR but am a realist. It is here. We could really learn from cricket in these instances though. For the mm offside ones you could have “refs call” as they do with umpire calls in cricket.

Just move the line back a bit, to give attackers the advantage.

That's how offside has mainly been called for decades. Make it official.

Any arguments, just do a v.a.r. flashback, to all of the best goalscorers for about 40 years & change their stats accordingly. And see how their results would have panned out.
 
Don’t know if it’s been posted,but the retaken pen was for encroachment I think by rice,the keeper staying on his line if I remember was not brought in by the premier league which caused controversy at the women’s World Cup ...

Yeah i dont think that decision had anything to do with VAR (?) its justs the new rules, maybe var was used as the ref may have missed the encroachment?
 
On the second goal, had KdB passed it to him on the other side instead of Sterling, he was also offside.

It holds the defensive line in place and opens up the space behind the line for another attacker to move into and then if that player gets the ball and gives it to Jesus he's not offside and can score. It's the modern equivalent of goalhanging. Perfectly within the rules.
 
Totally different. Goal line technology is easier as the line never moves and the ball which is moving has sensors throughout. That is totally different from someone/a computer deciding the exact moment a player kicks a ball and at the same time the exact moment some part of a players body is millimetres past the defender.
Am I correct in thinking there’s a sensor in the ball that works with the goal line technology?

If so surely it’s not hard to measure exactly when the ball changes direction and speed (e.g. pass) to give exact timings of the freeze frame for offsides. It measures it perfectly when it’s a goal line clearance for example.
 
Spot on. I often wondered how I could wean myself from football to the point where I could finally become an armchair fan (having no desire to be driving 3 hours to Manchester as I become elderly) and VAR is clearly the solution. Just what benefit is there now left for wasting 6 hours traveling, putting 250 miles on my car, spending £40 on fuel to stand in the stadium waiting to celebrate a goal while some tv production engineer scribbles his interpretation of straight lines on whatever frame of film he's decided to analyse. In short, it's bollocks.
Eventually the VAR system will be everything. The refs will be completely dependent on it, so will the players and so will the fans. And the actual sheer enjoyment and emotional roller-coaster that is a game of football will disappear.
 
It will be, they run offsides through software to accurately get the offsides correct.
That’s absolutely not true. The proof is the time it takes for a decision to be made. Goal line technology is instant because it is computer generated, offsides take time because there’s human interaction.

This is the problem, there is definitive ways to computer generate offsides but it’s not in use for some “unknown” reason. We all know why.
 
Not expecting mass walkouts but gradually people will stop going, if you can’t celebrate a goal there is absolutely no point to the game.
 
That’s absolutely not true.
That's what Walton said today, its technology that decides, and its very accurate.

The managers and captains were all shown it in action last week, and were very happy with it, today's took no real time at all, the lines we see are for clarity only, perhaps that is why we didn't have it last year, they were designing the technology to work it.
 
My God... I reckon there is a huge pile of steaming poo talked about VAR.

Loads of old "Stick in the Muds" who hate all change and want to live in the past.

It will settle down and we will end up with less injustices as a result...

Look at all the points we lost (and Scouse Pool gained) from wrong decisions last season.

I LOVE VAR.

(By the way... we just won 5-0 away from home and are top of the league... cheer up everyone).

JJ
 
That's what Walton said today, its technology that decides, and its very accurate.

The managers and captains were all shown it in action last week, and were very happy with it, today's took no real time at all, the lines we see are for clarity only, perhaps that is why we didn't have it last year, they were designing the technology to work it.
I was watching that? I am not sure I believe him. They could showcase it all on Football Focus, BBC, Sky etc to show us all exactly how they do it. I don't really trust the process. How do we know it's not a few analysts scrolling footage forward frame by frame, and putting a line across a distorted image. Maybe it's more sophisticated but they should open it up for review. That's how science works- peer review by your colleagues. This is all closed shop. "Trust us" and everyone in football thinks their club is done over all the time so that doesn't work.
 
It was mentioned a couple of times on radio 5 606 show tonight that Liverpool would have won the league last season if VAR was used. Seemed to be agreed and accepted without question. That's not the way I remember last season. More fake news to appease the scouse I think.
 

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