VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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Gorton_Tubster said:
Thing is, if the PL or PGMOL wanted to cheat the setup is there....

- The C word is not allowed to be mentioned by pundits or tv channels that have bought the PL package.

- Any manager or player accusations of referee cheating result in a ban.

- Fans are not allowed to protest using banners to highlight the poor use of VAR and officiating.

- VAR is basically done in secret, they could actually be deciding who needs the decision, we wouldn't know!

- Awful decisions are the norm so it just gets added to the list of mistakes.

it's the perfect setup for someone to be cheating, no accountability, no punishments, no one checking!!

It's a closed shop and it's quite alarming the amount of unfettered control PGMOL have over the game.

This really needs a manager to put their heads above the parapet and take their players off after things like last night, only then will something be done.

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Don't forget the "independent" review panel appointed by the PL, PGMOL and including a few ex-pros who need a few quid.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Don't forget the "independent" review panel appointed by the PL, PGMOL and including a few ex-pros who need a few quid.
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No idea who’s on the panel this season. But I believe Jermaine Jenus was last year. Doubt he’s desperate for the cash. In fact I’m surprised he had time to fit it in, he’s on the TV that fucking much.
 

Gorton_Tubster said:
Thing is, if the PL or PGMOL wanted to cheat the setup is there....

- The C word is not allowed to be mentioned by pundits or tv channels that have bought the PL package.

- Any manager or player accusations of referee cheating result in a ban.

- Fans are not allowed to protest using banners to highlight the poor use of VAR and officiating.

- VAR is basically done in secret, they could actually be deciding who needs the decision, we wouldn't know!

- Awful decisions are the norm so it just gets added to the list of mistakes.

it's the perfect setup for someone to be cheating, no accountability, no punishments, no one checking!!

It's a closed shop and it's quite alarming the amount of unfettered control PGMOL have over the game.

This really needs a manager to put their heads above the parapet and take their players off after things like last night, only then will something be done.

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And if any manager did so, you can be absolutely certain that they would be charged with " bringing the game into disrepute" by the PL / FA or whoever look to protect their own interests.
 
metalblue said:
No secret I hate VAR with a passion but if it’s here to stay then we need to change the logic and VAR should ask the ref what they think they saw, and if that’s not what happened then suggest a review on monitor. And it needs to be heard real time in the ground.

VAR to ref “did you see the goalie clatter the player?”

Ref “yes I thought the ball had already been played and the contact from the keeper actually hindered the keeper more”… ok no further review by VAR - the ref may have made a questionable call - it’s his judgement and not an error in itself.

Or ref “the keeper got the ball first then the player”… ok that’s not what happened so suggest you review on the monitor. Here the ref made a mistake in the reasoning for why he didn’t give it.

Although it won’t change offsides and the trigonometry lessons.
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The ESPN guy agreed with everyone else that it should have been a pen but somebody asked him to second guess what possible reason he thought the VAR might have had to not recommend an onfiejd review and his answer surprised me.

He said the only thing he could imagine was that the on field ref convinced the VAR that he’d had a perfect view of it and it fell just inside the unofficial extra leaway that ‘keepers have traditionally always enjoyed when clearing outfield players out of the way.

It surprised me that a conversation like that could have taken place. Obviously we’ve no idea at this stage if it did. But I would have thought the referee would be instructed to hold fire while the VAR decides what he thinks, rather than chirping away in his ear that he was right.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
And if any manager did so, you can be absolutely certain that they would be charged with " bringing the game into disrepute" by the PL / FA or whoever look to protect their own interests.
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And who charges PiGMOL with bringing the game into disrepute when Jonny Moss has to apologise for another ‘crass’ refereeing shambles?
 
Blue Maverick said:
We need to get the mics on theses twats so we can hear it, is still can’t believe that wasn’t given, they should be sacked not dropped .
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The verbals in the women's WC are wholly inadequate. We don't need to know what the outcome is, we should be informed as to what they are looking at and how they have arrived at the decision, and only then would be wee whether the VAR decision matches the written LotG. The transcript over the Wolves pen would have been enlightening to say the least.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Hope your little girl is OK.

The thing is, though, they shouldn't be gettng it wrong. Which is why the cock-ups should get commented on.
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cheers bud, was juts a hip and hearing check up - she's all good.

Can all agree it shouldn't be getting big decisions wrong - but there seems to be an infinity of grey areas that it's difficult to have a blueprint for every incident, now that for me was a 100% penalty but i've seen others argue that it was just a collision after the ball had been played and didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity etc.
even on replay and with the help of tech it's still human decision and so many will have views either way.

How about this for a solution. If the Ref wants a second look then it's down to him only. No interference from VAR. If the ref has missed something blatantly obvious then that just has to be accepted. It's a middle ground.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Can all agree it shouldn't be getting big decisions wrong - but there seems to be an infinity of grey areas that it's difficult to have a blueprint for every incident, now that for me was a 100% penalty but i've seen others argue that it was just a collision after the ball had been played and didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity etc.
even on replay and with the help of tech it's still human decision and so many will have views either way.
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There is nothing different about the penalty area than anywhere else on the pitch other than the fact that if a member of the defending team commits a direct free kick offence inside the penalty area, a penalty kick is (should be) awarded.

There is absolutely nothing in the laws of the game that says when the offence has to have happened, or that it denied a goal scoring opportunity. It's STILL a foul.

The keeper recklessly collided with the attacking player. It was the same foul that would have been awarded ANYWHERE else on the pitch.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
There is nothing different about the penalty area than anywhere else on the pitch other than the fact that if a member of the defending team commits a direct free kick offence inside the penalty area, a penalty kick is (should be) awarded.

There is absolutely nothing in the laws of the game that says when the offence has to have happened, or that it denied a goal scoring opportunity. It's STILL a foul.

The keeper recklessly collided with the attacking player. It was the same foul that would have been awarded ANYWHERE else on the pitch.
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Agreed, that's why I said it should 100% be a penalty.

Wolves themselves got away with one last season ironically on the opening day.

www.skysports.com

Look familiar? Wolves involved in goalkeeper VAR drama on consecutive opening days

On the opening day of this season and last season, Wolves have been involved in incidents where the VAR decided not to intervene after questionable decisions made by goalkeepers.
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Agreed, that's why I said it should 100% be a penalty.

Wolves themselves got away with one last season ironically on the opening day.

www.skysports.com

Look familiar? Wolves involved in goalkeeper VAR drama on consecutive opening days

On the opening day of this season and last season, Wolves have been involved in incidents where the VAR decided not to intervene after questionable decisions made by goalkeepers.
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com
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That wasn't a dig at you by the way; more at all those Muppets who use those excuses (including so called 'knowledgeable' pundits) for not giving a penalty.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
That wasn't a dig at you by the way; more at all those Muppets who use those excuses (including so called 'knowledgeable' pundits) for not giving a penalty.
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Agreed, only point of sympathy i do have for officials that i understand that no one will agree with.
Is just how hard and how big a decision it is to give these calls, the game is so fast and manic, bodies flying everywhere at times, tussling, grabbing, players cheating, crowds appealing for everything.
Put it this way, I just wouldn't want to be a ref or official in the modern game, it's a tough tough job and i am not excusing that non penalty decision.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Agreed, only point of sympathy i do have for officials that i understand that no one will agree with.
Is just how hard and how big a decision it is to give these calls, the game is so fast and manic, bodies flying everywhere at times, tussling, grabbing, players cheating, crowds appealing for everything.
Put it this way, I just wouldn't want to be a ref or official in the modern game, it's a tough tough job and i am not excusing that non penalty decision.
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That SHOULDN'T be an excuse with VAR.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Agreed, only point of sympathy i do have for officials that i understand that no one will agree with.
Is just how hard and how big a decision it is to give these calls, the game is so fast and manic, bodies flying everywhere at times, tussling, grabbing, players cheating, crowds appealing for everything.
Put it this way, I just wouldn't want to be a ref or official in the modern game, it's a tough tough job and i am not excusing that non penalty decision.
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Good to hear about your little girl. I know all about emergency trips to the ER and it's not fun.

The irony is that, before VAR, referees made mistakes and it was generally accepted that it can happen and it's a difficult job. Other than a few absolute howlers anyway. Now, after VAR has been introduced to help them, they are crucified for every mistake, because they shouldn't be making any.

No way back now, I suppose, but I do miss the simpler days of on-field decision making.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
That SHOULDN'T be an excuse with VAR.
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Exactly why it was needed and it’s highlighting how impossible it was for the refs. Now they just need to make sure they get it right every single time with the help of tech and review - but it’s not going to happen , probably going to be a head scratching decision that causes outrage once or twice a week. Not sure what can be done except continually pressing for more transparency .
 
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before VAR, referees made mistakes and it was generally accepted
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Honestly, I wish that was true.

the whole reasoning for VAR was because officials were getting it so wrong, Clear offsides given as goals, clear no contact dives (remember them?) given as penalty's. It become farcical and fans were demanding video tech when other leagues were starting to use it worldwide.

Now, if we could scrap VAR and fans would truly accept the odd howler from the officials I would be all for that. but it won't happen and no one would be happy soon as their team is robbed by a ridiculous decision.

It's all opinion, and i don't blame you for wanting a return of the old ways.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
And who charges PiGMOL with bringing the game into disrepute when Jonny Moss has to apologise for another ‘crass’ refereeing shambles?
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How did Moss get that job anyway? He only retired from refereeing a few months ago.

It's jobs for the boys. Out goes Riley, in comes Webb. Webb gets rid of Swarbrick and installs Moss as a second layer to protect himself from criticism. They all look after each others interests. Cronyism at is finest.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Agreed, that's why I said it should 100% be a penalty.

Wolves themselves got away with one last season ironically on the opening day.

www.skysports.com

Look familiar? Wolves involved in goalkeeper VAR drama on consecutive opening days

On the opening day of this season and last season, Wolves have been involved in incidents where the VAR decided not to intervene after questionable decisions made by goalkeepers.
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com
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Yea, but it's only a penalty if it involves a team called Manchester City* in whatever colours they are wearing.
 
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