VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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POstecoglu :

"You have to accept the referee's decision, that is how I grew up," said Postecoglou.

"This constant erosion of the referee's authority is where the game is going - they are not going to have any authority. We are going to be under the control of someone with a TV screen a few miles away.

"The decision is the decision. In 26 years I have had plenty of bad decisions, I have had plenty fall in my favour. It is what it is.

"There will be a forensic study of every decision out there, I think that is the way the game is going and I don't like it. If you look at all that standing around we did today, maybe people enjoy that sort of thing but I'd rather see us playing football."



Thats where we need to be going imo.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
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Impressive numbers although the World Cup viewing figures aren't unexpected with it being the first cup in the winter and in that part of the world.
I'm surprised the relatively easy access to streaming hasn't dropped figures down some in this country, it'll be interesting to see if these figures stay up or drop as people reassess their priorities due to the cost of living crisis.
It's a shame that there's no way of doing a double blind test with these figures to see how high they'd be if fans could actually celebrate goals, I guess kids now want the manufactured drama of a drawn out decision just like on X-Factor or Strictly, "going through to the next round is..................................................."
 
I am a FOC like Postecoglou, and I say good for him. Football never had a huge problem with obvious mistakes. There were a few absolute howlers that could have been corrected by VAR, some serious missed incidents that could have been corrected by VAR, and myriad small mistakes that evened out and gave all of us an opportunity to go ballistic and shout insults at the ref. Leave those alone for Christ's sake. If VAR can't see something is a problem at normal speed in one viewing, offside included, just let it go .....

Quite frankly, this idea that VAR can get everything right is a nonsense, so at least implement it in a way that doesn't spoil the enjoyment of the most important people - the people who go to the ground. So, forget the hopeless search for absolute truth and make it more stadium friendly. If it isn't possible for the referee or the linesmen to see a problem, don't give anything. If anything is missed in the match by the referee and VAR, take action retrospectively.

All everyone wants is referees doing their job as best, and as fairly, as they can with any howlers or anything they miss, because they are human, corrected immediately. And then to complain about it afterwards.
 
VAR is just the beginning.....just wait for the aVARtars......all this new technology and AI will see virtual seating and "fans" buying virtual tickets to watch a live game sitting in their home but as an avartar wearing glasses....they will be in the stadium virtually with sound piped in and a 360 view.....maybe pay extra to listen into ref VAR decisons and be able to stand on the line to look yourself at an offside or in action to see a foul close up...all virtually....even get close to players as they celebrate a goal.....all coming virtually from your living room in Beiiging, New York, Bangkok.....sitting their with your ferking half and half scarf draped around your neck.......adverts pumped into the headsets.......this is not far away and if you think VAR was bad wait and see what is coming!
 
BELFAST_BLUE_BOY said:
VAR is just the beginning.....just wait for the aVARtars......all this new technology and AI will see virtual seating and "fans" buying virtual tickets to watch a live game sitting in their home but as an avartar wearing glasses....they will be in the stadium virtually with sound piped in and a 360 view.....maybe pay extra to listen into ref VAR decisons and be able to stand on the line to look yourself at an offside or in action to see a foul close up...all virtually....even get close to players as they celebrate a goal.....all coming virtually from your living room in Beiiging, New York, Bangkok.....sitting their with your ferking half and half scarf draped around your neck.......adverts pumped into the headsets.......this is not far away and if you think VAR was bad wait and see what is coming!
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And this is where the real money is for clubs. Streaming their own games and why the Spanish two and others are desperate to get in a league with premier league clubs because if they dont they see club football being entirely dominated by English clubs.
 
Am I seriously reading on here that the shite implementation of VAR is making the game more exciting and drawing more people to it? Really?!?
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
POstecoglu :

"You have to accept the referee's decision, that is how I grew up," said Postecoglou.

"This constant erosion of the referee's authority is where the game is going - they are not going to have any authority. We are going to be under the control of someone with a TV screen a few miles away.

"The decision is the decision. In 26 years I have had plenty of bad decisions, I have had plenty fall in my favour. It is what it is.

"There will be a forensic study of every decision out there, I think that is the way the game is going and I don't like it. If you look at all that standing around we did today, maybe people enjoy that sort of thing but I'd rather see us playing football."



Thats where we need to be going imo.
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He’s totally right. Remember when VAR was brought in - the argument seemed to be refs needed tools to help them. This is not where we have ended up
 
VAR should be the answer that informs us that the decision taken on the pitch reflects what actually happened. The trouble with VAR is that it's current iteration is inadequate. I thought the second Bournemouth goal was offside at the cross. Had I seen a replay on the big screen I would know that it wasn't. I can accept that.

But VAR is pounded and battered to death in the TV studios by people who wouldn't know a fuckin' LotG if it hit 'em on the head. The likes of Muppet Murphy et al have added descriptions of incidents that shred the integrity of the LotG so that a decision can be rendered in favour of their ex-club. And a further source of amusement is the use of adjectives to describe an offside - narrow, marginal. I wonder if these people use the same vocabulary to describe pregnancy. Pregnancy and offside share the same 'black 'n whiteness' - you are either offside or yer not, yer either pregnant or yer not.

Wonder how long before Howie Redshirt and his acolytes in the VAR shed come to the conclusion that Rugby has stolen a march on them, and they haven't the bollocks to copy that model.
 
You have to accept the referee's decision, that is how I grew up,

"The decision is the decision. In 26 years I have had plenty of bad decisions, I have had plenty fall in my favour. It is what it is.

Pingu the Penguin said:
He’s totally right. Remember when VAR was brought in - the argument seemed to be refs needed tools to help them. This is not where we have ended up
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As I've mentioned previously, if everyone adopted his attitude to decisions, then fine, i would be more than happy to scrap VAR.

But I know for a fact fans will be in utter rage week in week out on refs decisions when a player is clearly offside or clearly dives with no contact etc.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
You have to accept the referee's decision, that is how I grew up,

"The decision is the decision. In 26 years I have had plenty of bad decisions, I have had plenty fall in my favour. It is what it is.



As I've mentioned previously, if everyone adopted his attitude to decisions, then fine, i would be more than happy to scrap VAR.

But I know for a fact fans will be in utter rage week in week out on refs decisions when a player is clearly offside or clearly dives with no contact etc.
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Less than now though. And people will moan, but also remember what video technology brought us previously.

Anyway I think there's too many stakeholders, too many people making money off it for it to be rolled back. But getting the referee to make the decisions, all the decisions, would be a good start.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Less than now though. And people will moan, but also remember what video technology brought us previously.

Anyway I think there's too many stakeholders, too many people making money off it for it to be rolled back. But getting the referee to make the decisions, all the decisions, would be a good start.
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how about the Romero challenge which the ref missed ? which can't blame him as bodies in way and all at frantic pace.

Should Romero really have just got away with that?
 
I think there will be more and more people signing up to the Postecoglu fan page, he comes across as a decent chap with a nice, rational approach to the game. As he says, you get decisions going your way and you get decisions going the oppositions way, it happens. It's only when the decisions consistently go one way (rag/dippers) that you have to speak out against the way pgmol are applying the rules.

Contrast Postecoglu's view of last night's events to Arteta's theatrics against Newcastle and you see why people are forming an intense dislike of both Arteta and the club he represents.



As I say, take the two most hated clubs in this country out of the equation and you'll see that for the other 18 there will be good decisions and bad decisions.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
how about the Romero challenge which the ref missed ? which can't blame him as bodies in way and all at frantic pace.

Should Romero really have just got away with that?
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How about the offside that the ref flagged immediately then waited 2 or 3 minutes for VAR to confirm what the on field refs had decided in a split second? Or the lfc goal disallowed?

I don't care about the anecdotals. We are going to get errors whichever way we go.

But the fundamental of the referee making decisions, even judgements, has been lost. They've tried to science the shit out of it and made a complete mess. No one can define every single handball or foul. So why have 5 different people doing that?

VAR has its uses but it isn't this.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
How about the offside that the ref flagged immediately then waited 2 or 3 minutes for VAR to confirm what the on field refs had decided in a split second? Or the lfc goal disallowed?

I don't care about the anecdotals. We are going to get errors whichever way we go.

But the fundamental of the referee making decisions, even judgements, has been lost. They've tried to science the shit out of it and made a complete mess. No one can define every single handball or foul. So why have 5 different people doing that?

VAR has its uses but it isn't this.
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But let's say that offside decision was a champions league final

would you really want to rely on the lino who has to make the decision without the aid of having tech help when we have it ?

I agree there will always be errors but surely it makes sense to try and reduce them when we have the opportunity too.

I get the time waiting around is frustrating and for fans at grounds it hinders their enjoyment (not all) which is fair enough and hard to argue against. If the decision making can be done much quicker than some of them incidents last night then that would help.
 
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