Exactly the footballers union don't like their own being called cheats. They soon water their initial "gone down easily there" to "he's running at pace - the slightest touch....." and "he's felt a touch, you can't blame him for going down", plus the old favourite, "he's been clever there".I suspect he would get crucified by all the idiot commentators, co-commentators and pundits who tell everyone there was contact so it has to be a penalty.
then refs simply have no chance.
Without opening that can of worms, a lot of referees came out and said that they could see why technically that was given. We didn't get an apology, but Webb said that, given the reaction from just about everyone who wasn't a referee, it wouldn't happen again.Yes, I used to read Dale Johnson's articles until I saw he gets input from PGMOL, so basically he says what they want, otherwise access withdrawn.
The final straw for me was the Rashford/Fernandes goal when he went with good goal according to the law. No point reading after that.
But a ref would have likely have awarded Bruno and Jota penalties without any contact at all, ZERO CONTACT. Like they did pre VAR.
That’s what it would go back too.
All we need now is VAR to clear up that not all contact in the box means a penalty - or even better the onfield ref to check monitor and have the balls to make that decision.
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Without opening that can of worms, a lot of referees came out and said that they could see why technically that was given. We didn't get an apology, but Webb said that, given the reaction from just about everyone who wasn't a referee, it wouldn't happen again.
They could simplify it by the var ref simply answering the question was it a fucking dive, if yes send the bald twat to the monitor to at least have to view the player blatantly taking the piss out of him so he has the choice of standing by original decision or booking the attacker.First, you don't know if those penalties would have been given without the VAR "safety net", although they wore red so it's possible.
Second, if you want VAR to say there wasn't enough contact to go down, you are just shifting the endless debates from "was there contact" to "how much contact was there?" That's even more subjective. It's all just a dog's breakfast.
This, exactly. Take the rough with the smooth and enjoy every goal like we used to.It's a balance isn't it?: getting more decisions right vs disruption to the game. The more I see of this nonsense, the more I come down on the side of scrap it, let the referees referee, let the game flow and let the fans vent at the referees again every game like we used to.
PS: Re your point about no-contact penalties, there are other ways to punish cheating. Off-line review of potential incidents and increasing retrospective punishment each offence, for example. Now that is a use of VAR I can get behind :)
They could simplify it by the var ref simply answering the question was it a fucking dive, if yes send the bald twat to the monitor to at least have to view the player blatantly taking the piss out of him so he has the choice of standing by original decision or booking the attacker.
Yeah but we can't look to take them from woeful to competent in 1 step ;) It should be so simple to consider a player can stay on feet and still be fouled and contact does not make it a foul but with the clowns we have now it would be like teaching astrophysics to a chimpanzee.This would only work if players were awarded penalties when they are clearly fouled but try to stay on their feet. Which traditionally very, very rarely happens.
Players know that by not ‘diving’ after contact, they are almost certainly giving up any chance of being awarded a penalty.
Yeah but we can't look to take them from woeful to competent in 1 step ;) It should be so simple to consider a player can stay on feet and still be fouled and contact does not make it a foul but with the clowns we have now it would be like teaching astrophysics to a chimpanzee.
Whilst I agree in general with your comment, I think you are optimistic with your thought that your two extremes would get 100% agreement. Off the top of my head I seem to recall van Dijk getting away with a firm push in the back with both hands and quite few comments seemed to think that was OK. Perhaps if a player ran on the pitch with a chainsaw and started attacking the opponents you might get 100% agreement?The bottom line is mate, with or without VAR. With or without a dive at the end, what is and what isn’t a foul is always going to be a subjective decision that will produce very similar incidents going opposite ways on a regular basis.
There’s no way of putting into words exactly how much contact constitutes a foul.
If I was to gently place my hand on your shoulder for a second and then remove it, 100% of people would agree that isn’t enough contact for a foul.
If I was to violently shove you with both hands in the back, with all my strength, 100% of people would agree that is enough contact for a foul.
But once those two extremes start getting close to the middle, you’re always going to get controversy and split opinions, no matter how good the officials. No matter how consistent they are.
Webb doesn’t want on field penalty decisions overruled unless they’re incontrovertibly wrong decisions.Where does that come from? Afaik, there is nothing in IFAB's VAR protocol that says that. Imo, if the referee thinks there is enough contact to bring an attacker down, but the replays show the faintest of touches, two steps and then a falling over, they can review it on-field. Maybe they don't because of some idiot Webb guidelines, but they can according to the protocol in my view.
If tech is there for THEM to use then I’m not against them using it (tho overall would prefer they didn’t)And if the next break in play is ten minutes away?
Just let the bloody referees and linesmen do their job as best they can on the pitch.
Absolutely it should be rolled back.... fix the twat, then try again.Right so where does this DCL red card overturn leave VAR? It's a PR disaster this one. How can a system thats brought in to stop mistakes, be the one thing that makes a mistake? It really should have a break until it's ready. It's an utter farce - STILL - and has ruined the game for me and AT LEAST 50% of football fans
And in ghe case of penalties gained with dives then retrospectively ban the culprits for e games. that would soon stop it. also, give the linesmen more power to spot things and liaise with the refThis, exactly. Take the rough with the smooth and enjoy every goal like we used to.
VAR needs fucking off. Completely.