VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Gorton_Tubster]

VAR for millimeter precision decisions.

Yet the ref strides out ten paces, yards, feet... who knows. And who cares?

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Scrap it completely for all I care.

But if you’re going to have it, it seems a bit silly putting the officials under ridiculous time constraints, that will inevitably lead to more wrong calls.

Missing the point re “wrong calls”. I only want to eliminate the howlers - you can do that in 30 seconds and if you can’t then get on with the game

 

[bluenova]

VAR for millimeter precision decisions.

Yet the ref strides out ten paces, yards, feet... who knows. And who cares?

We could start a campaign for refs to carry one of those digital measures that estate agents love :)

 

[simon23]

Yes VAR is a problem..we all know that

However, what is also happening at the moment (helped by the media as it helps to create scandal, talking points etc etc which all sell newspapers, get clicks whatever, people to phone in to radio shows, views etc etc) is that managers/coaches, players are using and youtubers are using VAR as an excuse for EVERYTHING that goes against them

Look at Pochetino after yesterdays game - its clearly a foul every day of the week in the build up to the goal in injury time....yet he comes out with that VAR is wrecking the game....maybe it is BUT the decision was correct on this occasion

Bandwagon jumpers just on for selfish reasons and to make excuses for their own failings....Pochetino being the latest one in the above example.

This also needs to be called out.

I agree the game is better without VAR BUT the biggest problem in the game is a lack of integrity by teams, managers, players and most of all by the media who love to stir drama from which ever side...

The other big problem are the rules around hand ball and offsite...both need to be looked at, simplified and made unambigious with no grey areas so people cant argue with them.

Get rid of VAR and ref'/linos decision is final -

 

[SebastianBlue]

The most generous interpretation of some of the refereeing this season is that officials are deferring to VAR to make contentious decisions, even when they have a full view of them.

A prime example of that was the penalty eventually given to Spurs today, after VAR intervened to send Oliver to the monitor, despite Oliver standing not more than 10 yards away with an unobstructed view of Rice kicking the Spurs player in the bollocks well after the ball had gone.

This is one of the issues with VAR and the “clear and obvious error” threshold.

 

[Andrewjh009]

Why would rice kick him like that in full view of the ref?

 

[BlueHammer85]

The most generous interpretation of some of the refereeing this season is that officials are deferring to VAR to make contentious decisions, even when they have a full view of them.

A prime example of that was the penalty eventually given to Spurs today, after VAR intervened to send Oliver to the monitor, despite Oliver standing not more than 10 yards away with an unobstructed view of Rice kicking the Spurs player in the bollocks well after the ball had gone.

This is one of the issues with VAR and the “clear and obvious error” threshold.

Or like we saw pre VAR , refs simply do not give the most obvious of penalties like that today from Rice - this is what we put up before VAR and this is what will happen when/if VAR is binned. Absolute joke decisions.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Why would rice kick him like that in full view of the ref?

Because he's got away with it more than once this season.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Without VAR he wouldn’t have given a pen. Farcical.

 

[RayCTID]

That incident shouldn't have needed VAR's intervention

 

[Gordyola]

Without VAR he wouldn’t have given a pen. Farcical.


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Easy when you have a still frame to study at leisure
Refs on the whole do a good job, to actually be in position to see incidents is an achievement
Yes this looks ridiculous and of course it is but how good would we be in a similar situation The Police when comparing witness statements are usually no better informed as people see things differently

 

[Metal Biker]

I'm firmly in the Shearer camp. Get rid of it.

The fans wanted it as we saw it as a way to improve football fairness. It's been an experiment that hasn't worked, it's caused more controversy than it has ended and made the game worse. It is open to manipulation and has been. Get rid of it, keep the goalline technology, revise penalty laws regarding unintentional handballs.

Oh and scrap the extra stoppage time law whilst you're at it. Players already play enough football every season, they don't need these additional minutes every game.

 

[paulchapo]

Without VAR he wouldn’t have given a pen. Farcical.


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How could Oliver not see that??? I mean he's looking straight at the incident.

 

[MadchesterCity]

I'm firmly in the Shearer camp. Get rid of it.

The fans wanted it as we saw it as a way to improve football fairness. It's been an experiment that hasn't worked, it's caused more controversy than it has ended and made the game worse. It is open to manipulation and has been. Get rid of it, keep the goalline technology, revise penalty laws regarding unintentional handballs.

Oh and scrap the extra stoppage time law whilst you're at it. Players already play enough football every season, they don't need these additional minutes every game.

40 minute matches, official time keeper and clock stops when out of play.
Time wasting is an even bigger issue than VAR imho and I ain’t a fan of VAR

 

[GSW Blue]

If we started a new season without VAR I would give it about two weeks before everyone agreed it needs to be brought back. A combination of incompetent and deliberately biased officials will make this inevitable. VAR is shit but unfortunately it’s better than the alternative.

 

[KentBlue]

Oh and scrap the extra stoppage time law whilst you're at it. Players already play enough football every season, they don't need these additional minutes every game.

I have noticed that at the end of the first half the ref always adds three minutes, regardless of how much stoppage time has actually taken place, it is always three minutes. And it seems that at ninety minutes it is at the ref's discretion how many minutes extra are played. It's farcical, the whole refereeing set-up in this country is a joke.

You get someone who is new to the sport, just getting into it and trying to understand what you can and what you can't do, they are going to one game where a defender handles the ball and concedes a penalty. The next day another defender handles the ball and the ref waves play on as if nothing has happened.
When you consider what is at stake, how much money is involved, and the millions a club will lose with relegation, all that depends on the whim of one man, how he personally interprets an incident. And if anybody dares to question his decision making they are accused of doubting his integrity.

Ridiculous.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If we started a new season without VAR I would give it about two weeks before everyone agreed it needs to be brought back. A combination of incompetent and deliberately biased officials will make this inevitable. VAR is shit but unfortunately it’s better than the alternative.

I really would love them to scrap it just to see the reaction after a few weeks when so many ridiculous decisions are being made, would be the most blatant clear offsides and penalties all being allowed to stand.

And yes I do give referees the benefit of the doubt, impossible job for them with the speed of the game, hostile crowds and players appealing for everything and cheating all over the field. They clearly need help.

 

[Metal Biker]

I have noticed that at the end of the first half the ref always adds three minutes, regardless of how much stoppage time has actually taken place, it is always three minutes. And it seems that at ninety minutes it is at the ref's discretion how many minutes extra are played. It's farcical, the whole refereeing set-up in this country is a joke.

You get someone who is new to the sport, just getting into it and trying to understand what you can and what you can't do, they are going to one game where a defender handles the ball and concedes a penalty. The next day another defender handles the ball and the ref waves play on as if nothing has happened.
When you consider what is at stake, how much money is involved, and the millions a club will lose with relegation, all that depends on the whim of one man, how he personally interprets an incident. And if anybody dares to question his decision making they are accused of doubting his integrity.

Ridiculous.

And now we have gimps sat at a TV monitor who get the exact same decisions incorrect or disregard a legitimate goal because a toenail is offside. Offside used to mean "an advantage". Where is the advantage at someone being a kneecap offside? Where is the benefit to the game for stopping play for five minutes working that out?

Drawing lines and figuring out the minute details of how the red line is juuuuuuuuuuuuust slightly ahead of the blue line. If you went back through history there would be tens of thousands of goals that should now all be disregarded when placed under the same "offside eyelash" advantage scrutiny. They've gone OTT with it.

So either scrap VAR entirely or apply a level of leniency regarding the offside rule in the VAR era. I only ever wanted it for goal line clearences disputes.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

How could Oliver not see that??? I mean he's looking straight at the incident.

I do wonder if the referees would rather not give it and be sent over to change their mind, as opposed to giving it and being sent over to change their minds?
The first involves ‘not being certain’, the second involves getting it wrong..

 

[Kippax77]

How could Oliver not see that??? I mean he's looking straight at the incident.

The only thing he wants to see there is red and white ribbons on the Premier league trophy..... the bent cnut