VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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inbetween said:
That Bayern onside was officiated as though VAR didn't exist and that's the only problem I see. It definitely wouldn't have stood without VAR so not being able to bring VAR in to spot the error is the error.

The linesman thought it was offside so he had to raise his flag however the ref was too trigger happy in stopping play. Unless it's clear and obvious then the benefit should always be given to the attacker because VAR can sort everything afterwards.

I think it was fair anyway because had the linesman spotted it as onside then I think Madrid would have defended it because they stopped playing as soon as the whistle blew.
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It definitely could have stood, given a current referee on Paramount+ said it would likely have stood had the passage been allowed to progress.

The issue was the referee stopping play and denying that possibility of VAR reviewing after the ball was in the back of the net.

Also, the whistle blew as the ball was falling to De Ligt, so there wasn’t much the Real Madrid defenders could do at that point, especially as Rudiger—the defender closest to the ball—had run past De Ligt at that point. It was De Ligt and the keeper at that point, and I don’t think he saves the shot.

I am posting about the incident in this thread primarily as an example of how on-pitch officiating has changed with the adoption of VAR, and how referees can manipulate VAR use (unintentionally or otherwise).
 
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SebastianBlue said:
It definitely could have stood, given a current referee on Paramount+ said it would likely have stood had the passage been allowed to progress.

The issue was the referee stopping play allowing that possibility.

Also, the whistle blew as the ball was falling to De Ligt, so there wasn’t much the Real Madrid defenders could do at that point, especially Rudiger had run past De Ligt at that point.
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I think the ref must have been watching Hoopers performance in the spurs match.
 
Everyone seems to think that was onside. I want the linesman to be in control, so I can't blame the linesman for flagging. The two players were well ahead of Rudiger there and just moved to soon. Unless you are telling me de Ligt was smart enough to judge his run against where Rudiger's heel was at that precise moment. Which is clearly bollocks. He was looking along the line and moved too early, imho.

The reason it is a mess is purely the VAR protocol for offside. Should the linesman have flagged, or let it go? Should the referee have blown or let it go? When was the end of the active phase? Where was Rudiger's heel to the mm (ffs)? Which, again imho, is all bollocks and is ruining yet another part of the game.
 
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United fans having a meltdown on X/Twitter over Michael Oliver being on VAR for the F.A.Cup Final. Really is a joy to see the piss boiling
 
Is standard protocol for the linesman to call...

"Delay... Delay..."

when they believe it's offside but will wait for the attack to finish before flagging?

Also the fact UEFA haven't produced visual confirmation that shows Mazzaroi was actually offside says to me he was onside.
 
kearsley blue said:
United fans having a meltdown on X/Twitter over Michael Oliver being on VAR for the F.A.Cup Final. Really is a joy to see the piss boiling
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I loathed Oliver for about the past 5 years, because he refed almost all of our games against Liverpool. Blind towards all the dives and fouls they make.

Somehow the narrative has sprung out that he is 'our referee'.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Everyone seems to think that was onside. I want the linesman to be in control, so I can't blame the linesman for flagging. The two players were well ahead of Rudiger there and just moved to soon. Unless you are telling me de Ligt was smart enough to judge his run against where Rudiger's heel was at that precise moment. Which is clearly bollocks. He was looking along the line and moved too early, imho.

The reason it is a mess is purely the VAR protocol for offside. Should the linesman have flagged, or let it go? Should the referee have blown or let it go? When was the end of the active phase? Where was Rudiger's heel to the mm (ffs)? Which, again imho, is all bollocks and is ruining yet another part of the game.
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Only De Ligt was offside in the buildup, and he did not impact play, hence why various referees (acting as official consultants for broadcasters) and pundits have come out to say the decision from the referee to blow play dead as the ball fell to him (right before he took his shot that ended up in the back of the net) was wrong.

Otherwise, agree with your post regarding the way VAR has impacted on-pitch officiating and fan confidence in officiating more broadly.
 
The more I think about the VAR offside debacle, the more I see parallels with the way the PL have gone about trying to stop City. They have become fixated on an objective and are introducing more and more convoluted rules to the extent that it's almost impossible for the average fan to follow what is going on any more.

For offside, they have become fixated on decisions as a fact down to the last mm and have had to introduce new "guidelines" for when a linesman should flag, when a referee should blow, deliberate plays, different phases and expensive new systems to the extent they have forgotten it should be all about gaining an advantage and giving advantage to the attacker.

For City, they have become fixated on stopping investment and have had to introduce new rules on profitability, squad costs, associated parties, comparable bids, anchors and the like to the extent they have forgotten it should be about sustainability and debt levels.

Anyway, just an observation that the same sort of people are sending the game only one way by how they manage the game in different areas. To the dogs, imho.
 
Stephen230 said:
I’d be fascinated to hear the comms. between the referee and the VAR on this one.


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that second one is purely on the dickhead ref. it was right of VAR to tell the ref to have a look. what can they do if the ref still decides that is a red? joke decision , awful ref.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
that second one is purely on the dickhead ref. it was right of VAR to tell the ref to have a look. what can they do if the ref still decides that is a red? joke decision , awful ref.
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That’s why I’d be interested in hearing the comms. Or more specifically, a translation of it.

I can’t imagine what he could possibly have said to the VAR to justify sticking with his original decision.
 
halfcenturyup said:
The more I think about the VAR offside debacle, the more I see parallels with the way the PL have gone about trying to stop City. They have become fixated on an objective and are introducing more and more convoluted rules to the extent that it's almost impossible for the average fan to follow what is going on any more.

For offside, they have become fixated on decisions as a fact down to the last mm and have had to introduce new "guidelines" for when a linesman should flag, when a referee should blow, deliberate plays, different phases and expensive new systems to the extent they have forgotten it should be all about gaining an advantage and giving advantage to the attacker.

For City, they have become fixated on stopping investment and have had to introduce new rules on profitability, squad costs, associated parties, comparable bids, anchors and the like to the extent they have forgotten it should be about sustainability and debt levels.

Anyway, just an observation that the same sort of people are sending the game only one way by how they manage the game in different areas. To the dogs, imho.
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Indeed, but don't you think the 'average fan' has a much better idea than the 'average ref'?
 
Stephen230 said:
That’s why I’d be interested in hearing the comms. Or more specifically, a translation of it.

I can’t imagine what he could possibly have said to the VAR to justify sticking with his original decision.
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what else can it be aside ... '' I'll stick with Red, that was a clear block etc etc''
 
problem with VAR is not the system, its the way its used, personally think ex-referees who no longer are on the pitch should be in control of VAR and on field referees should be nowhere near VAR duties, on too many occasions we see inconsistency from refs and too the point they don't want to overrule their mates onfield decision, need to break these cliques up
 
gloryhuntersince85 said:
problem with VAR is not the system, its the way its used, personally think ex-referees who no longer are on the pitch should be in control of VAR and on field referees should be nowhere near VAR duties, on too many occasions we see inconsistency from refs and too the point they don't want to overrule their mates onfield decision, need to break these cliques up
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Whatever you may think of Webb, one of the first things he identified when he got the job, was working towards having specialist VARs.

Not as easy as it sounds though. Being a specialist in a job that didn’t exist just a few years ago, is easier said than done.
 
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