VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

BlueHammer85 said:
Simply rest my case.

how can anyone not be for VAR after years and years of this sort of stuff.
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Put it to the vote. You’d accept that wouldn’t you? All season ticket holders at every club from Prem to 4th div.
Do you want VAR? Yes. No.
What do you think outcome would be? Yes? No?
 
johnnytapia said:
Put it to the vote. You’d accept that wouldn’t you? All season ticket holders at every club from Prem to 4th div.
Do you want VAR? Yes. No.
What do you think outcome would be? Yes? No?
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There’s various polling around and it’s hard to get a overall picture


The key one for me here says that over half fans would keep VAR if it was quicker and less involved - I think you can agree this season that has happened, with most decisions left to the onfield referee and VAR decisions taken more quickly.

Also worth noting , 19 out of 20 clubs voted in favour of keeping VAR, Including Man City. Why do 95% of clubs wish to keep it when it is corrupt and only favours Man Utd and Liverpool ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Someone else replied saying Man Utd got these corrupt penalties on a weekly basis pre VAR. Do you disagree ?
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If someone posts the Rashford/Fernandes goal in 30 years, does that mean VAR is shit. Someone posts the Liverpool/Spurs offside incident, VAR is incompetent? It's not the gotcha you think it is.

And now you are just doing your thing again where you pick up on what a few fans say then throw it back at other fans who say the opposite. Neither set of fans are right or wrong because it is a subjective recollection from what happened 30 years ago. My recollection is that United got a lot of dubious penalties and it was difficult to get one against them. Not unlike today, actually.

None of this is the gotcha you think it is, nor the validation of VAR you think it is.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
There’s various polling around and it’s hard to get a overall picture


The key one for me here says that over half fans would keep VAR if it was quicker and less involved - I think you can agree this season that has happened, with most decisions left to the onfield referee and VAR decisions taken more quickly.

Also worth noting , 19 out of 20 clubs voted in favour of keeping VAR, Including Man City. Why do 95% of clubs wish to keep it when it is corrupt and only favours Man Utd and Liverpool ?
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Two points.

First, every fan would be happy with VAR if it was quicker, less involved and better communicated in the ground so it doesn't affect the fan experience. Some progress has been made with being less involved this year by using referee's judgement unless "clear and obvious" which is a good thing. Why wasn't it less involved before? That's history I suppose, but I can't complain about that. It's still not fast enough, but I suppose that, if pushed, I could accept getting something right is better than getting it wrong quickly. But on the fan experience, it's still an absolute shambles. Take the Stones goal as an example. A last minute winner, the most emotional of experiences for a fan, and no-one in the ground (or for that matter watching on tv) knew what was going on, who was checking or overturning what. It's hopeless. Even after the fact, no-one knew what the linesman had done with his flag and why, what the referee did and what VAR was doing. It. Is. Hopeless.

Second, why did 19 clubs vote to keep it? Seriously? Why did 18 clubs vote for APT rules when they were warned they could be unlawful and when even the PL's own legal advice was less than convincing? Why are the clubs looking at introducing anchoring rules when they have been warned they are unlawful? Why did the clubs refuse to close the "Chelsea" PSR loophole. The PL and its governance is a mess and the fact 19 clubs voted to continue with VAR means nothing other than 19 clubs saw some benefit in going with PGMOL advice, or at least some benefit in not going against it. Just don't tell me the driving force is the good of the game.

Edit: they also need to drop this fallacy that offsides are factual. They will never be factual because whatever technology is used (human eye, retroactive line drawing, SAOT) there will always be margins of error. They just need to decide what margin is acceptable and run with it. I would suggest using the same method as for "subjective" calls. Go with the on-field call unless it is clearly wrong.
 
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On Wednesday, just after half time we scored. The ref pointed to the spot whilst the City players jumped all over Ake.
I turned to look at the screen, the ones in the ground not the one in my front room, to see the replay of the goal. Nothing came up.
That should have given me a clue but as everyone was running back for the restart I carried on looking.
Then the ref took the ball and gave it their keeper ! He then made him go further back into the box to take a free kick.
I quickly worked out it wasn't going to be given (I'm not the brightest spark :-)
Only after he'd launched it did the screens show a Var check was under way and only after a lengthy gap were we told the goal had been disallowed.
At no time were we told why it was disallowed.
Until Var can communicate with fans in real time it can fuck right off.
I'm sure those watching on TNT knew immediately and were even shown replays but hey fuck the match going fan.
 
johnnytapia said:
Put it to the vote. You’d accept that wouldn’t you? All season ticket holders at every club from Prem to 4th div.
Do you want VAR? Yes. No.
What do you think outcome would be? Yes? No?
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Here's a interesting small pole.

Luton relegated and back in Championship, they've experienced a full season with VAR and now into this season without.

luton.vitalfootball.co.uk

Luton Town – Back To The Great VAR Debate

I always thought we were playing a game called football, but which variant is now my question? Last season we were combatants in the variety where something called VAR was involved. At the time…
luton.vitalfootball.co.uk luton.vitalfootball.co.uk

70% are now pro VAR.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Here's a interesting small pole.

Luton relegated and back in Championship, they've experienced a full season with VAR and now into this season without.

luton.vitalfootball.co.uk

Luton Town – Back To The Great VAR Debate

I always thought we were playing a game called football, but which variant is now my question? Last season we were combatants in the variety where something called VAR was involved. At the time…
luton.vitalfootball.co.uk luton.vitalfootball.co.uk

70% are now pro VAR.
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70% of 32 people. Don't insult our intelligence.
 
halfcenturyup said:
70% of 32 people. Don't insult our intelligence.
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stated it was a small poll, but a interesting perspective from a fan that was initially against VAR but having experienced it with and now without , he would prefer to have VAR in place. thought it was a interesting take.
 
Blue Mist said:
On Wednesday, just after half time we scored. The ref pointed to the spot whilst the City players jumped all over Ake.
I turned to look at the screen, the ones in the ground not the one in my front room, to see the replay of the goal. Nothing came up.
That should have given me a clue but as everyone was running back for the restart I carried on looking.
Then the ref took the ball and gave it their keeper ! He then made him go further back into the box to take a free kick.
I quickly worked out it wasn't going to be given (I'm not the brightest spark :-)
Only after he'd launched it did the screens show a Var check was under way and only after a lengthy gap were we told the goal had been disallowed.
At no time were we told why it was disallowed.
Until Var can communicate with fans in real time it can fuck right off.
I'm sure those watching on TNT knew immediately and were even shown replays but hey fuck the match going fan.
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The commentators on TNT didn't know what was going on either, they thought the goal stood and didn't know it was being checked. It was just before the restart it was spotted that it touched Ake's hand at one point, no idea what the handball rules are at the minute though as they change week to week to fit in better with VAR.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
stated it was a small poll, but a interesting perspective from a fan that was initially against VAR but having experienced it with and now without , he would prefer to have VAR in place. thought it was a interesting take.
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A fan who recently had some decisions (he thinks) go against his club. I believe fans are like that. He will be back against it when the opposite happens.

How, on God's green earth, did you find that?

For the record, I much prefer the way VAR is being applied this year but that is nothing on which to congratulate PGMOL. Any sensible organisation would have tested a critical process before it was implemented, not just fuck it up for five years until they randomly hit on a method that isn't absolutely hopeless.

If they can just improve the communication so it's clear to fans in the ground what is happening and why (which they say they can't) and get away from this stupid principle of 100% sure, factual offside calls (which they won't), even I may have to concede they are getting there (so I will never have to, presumably).
 
mexico1970 said:
Football managed quite nicely without it for over a 100 years, not all change is good we need to throw it in the bin.
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Except many say Man Utd were getting corrupt penalty decisions and getting away with murder on a regular basis before VAR ? You want a return to that?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Here's a interesting small pole.

Luton relegated and back in Championship, they've experienced a full season with VAR and now into this season without.

luton.vitalfootball.co.uk

Luton Town – Back To The Great VAR Debate

I always thought we were playing a game called football, but which variant is now my question? Last season we were combatants in the variety where something called VAR was involved. At the time…
luton.vitalfootball.co.uk luton.vitalfootball.co.uk

70% are now pro VAR.
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Talk sport last night they were interviewing ex Leeds player Beckford. Commentator said “you’re playing in the best league in the world. Better than the Prem.”
“Really? Why do you say that?”
“Because the fans and players can celebrate every goal just like they should do - going wild and not wondering if it’s going to be ruled out by VAR. VAR has ruined the moment when you score and go mental. And that’s the whole reason we go to the game isn’t it?”
So a 100% poll against VAR from Talk Sport.
 
kaz7 said:
First weekend in how many years ?
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VAR has been successful most weekends since it's introduction, you only want to hear about the controversial decisions that over shadow everything else, you're even half disappointed when VAR is the reason you get the 3 points at times.
 
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