VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Xhavenjoe said:
A funny one today
How did that everton player ( jake o brien? ) end up with a yellow card after a VAR review.
I've never seen that situation before.
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It happens regularly. Sarr at Chelsea on Thursday night for example.

The VAR can’t advise a yellow card. But once he’s sent the referee to the screen, all options are back open to the referee.
 
Stephen230 said:
It happens regularly. Sarr at Chelsea on Thursday night for example.

The VAR can’t advise a yellow card. But once he’s sent the referee to the screen, all options are back open to the referee.
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It's a bit perverse.
If Sarr hadn't scored a 25-yarder he wouldn't have got a yellow card. Imagine if he'd already been on a yellow - he would have been sent off as a direct result of scoring.

Anyway, the hysteria around VAR is a bit OTT.
Sometimes it is criticised for interfering too much, on other occasions for not doing enough. For example, VAR had no bearing on the Everton pen yesterday. Yet on MOTD they mentioned it as an example of why VAR doesn't work. That decision would have been the same before VAR was introduced. It is not intended to completely eliminate subjective decisions.

One area where it has to improve is the time it takes to reach decisions. It took over 10 minutes for those two decisions in the Chelsea v Spurs match which was ludicrous. I think a time limit of 2-3 minutes per decision should be introduced.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
we had perfectly good goals ruled out all the time without VAR, players onside and flagged off and not given. I don't like to see great goals ruled out as a player is fractionally offside - happy to allow a limit of some sort or different interpretation for more leeway. Hoping automated makes the decisions alot quicker on offsides. More being left to onfield decision and faster outcomes for offsides is what everyone wants - but the moaning will never stop either way.
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“I don't like to see great goals ruled out as a player is fractionally offside - happy to allow a limit of some sort or different interpretation for more leeway. Hoping automated makes the decisions alot quicker on offsides.”
You laud the arrival of automated offsides but want more leeway. Thou doth speak utter bollocks. As per.
 
johnnytapia said:
“I don't like to see great goals ruled out as a player is fractionally offside - happy to allow a limit of some sort or different interpretation for more leeway. Hoping automated makes the decisions alot quicker on offsides.”
You laud the arrival of automated offsides but want more leeway. Thou doth speak utter bollocks. As per.
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You either have a system that only intervenes where the onfield decision was clearly wrong using the naked eye (thereby avoiding the ludicrous 5-minute delays we've seen) OR one which is able to quickly make decisions with a sufficient degree of precision in tight calls so that everyone can have confidence in it. The current "line-drawing" system does neither and is clearly prone to human error/bias. Hopefully automated offsides will do so. It seems to work well in European matches.
 
jaiguruKun said:
It's a bit perverse.
If Sarr hadn't scored a 25-yarder he wouldn't have got a yellow card. Imagine if he'd already been on a yellow - he would have been sent off as a direct result of scoring.

Anyway, the hysteria around VAR is a bit OTT.
Sometimes it is criticised for interfering too much, on other occasions for not doing enough. For example, VAR had no bearing on the Everton pen yesterday. Yet on MOTD they mentioned it as an example of why VAR doesn't work. That decision would have been the same before VAR was introduced. It is not intended to completely eliminate subjective decisions.

One area where it has to improve is the time it takes to reach decisions. It took over 10 minutes for those two decisions in the Chelsea v Spurs match which was ludicrous. I think a time limit of 2-3 minutes per decision should be introduced.
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A time limit on reviews is an awful idea. It’s ok in theory, saying that if a decision hasn’t been naturally reached within such a length of time, then the on field decision stands.

But that’s not what would happen. The way the human brain works wouldn’t allow them to casually allow time to run out as they go about their business.

They’d be aware time was running out. Rush their decision. And more mistakes would be a cast iron guarantee.
 
jaiguruKun said:
You either have a system that only intervenes where the onfield decision was clearly wrong using the naked eye (thereby avoiding the ludicrous 5-minute delays we've seen) OR one which is able to quickly make decisions with a sufficient degree of precision in tight calls so that everyone can have confidence in it. The current "line-drawing" system does neither and is clearly prone to human error/bias. Hopefully automated offsides will do so. It seems to work well in European matches.
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They should just apply the "on-field call" "rule" (which has worked reasonably well on "subjective" calls) to "factual" calls as well, imho. Any attempt at 100% accuracy on anything is just bollocks and doomed to failure. It's impossible no matter how much they gaslight.
 
johnnytapia said:
“I don't like to see great goals ruled out as a player is fractionally offside - happy to allow a limit of some sort or different interpretation for more leeway. Hoping automated makes the decisions alot quicker on offsides.”
You laud the arrival of automated offsides but want more leeway. Thou doth speak utter bollocks. As per.
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I’m more happy that automated will make it quicker actually.
 
Stephen230 said:
It happens regularly. Sarr at Chelsea on Thursday night for example.

The VAR can’t advise a yellow card. But once he’s sent the referee to the screen, all options are back open to the referee.
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The logic of that is that essentially yellow cards are reviewable. VAR tells the referee to check for red and the ref looks at it and decides that it isn’t even worth a yellow, I’m sure referees could agree a code word that says don’t think even yellow but telling you to check for red.
 
Coljj said:
There's no way PiGMOL will ever do it but I'd like to see VAR officials being completely independent from match referees.
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And completely independent form the TV broadcasters. They should however have access to the raw feed from all the cameras, not just the VAR ones so that they aren't reliant on what the Sky/TNT carefully select for them from the control room. There should also be absolutely ZERO link to the loudmouth pundits in the studio or on comm's. Yet again today we had GNIAC screaming 'HANDBALL', which I guarantee was was piped into Stockley Park.
 
Should that wolves keeper been sent off yesterday for a deliberate had ball. He knew it was a pass back and he’s not allowed handle it and it was obviously going in the goal.
 
johnnytapia said:
You came in here last week and said “great news. Automated offside.” Yesterday you said “I’d like some leeway with offside.”
Sums you and VAR up to perfection.
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Er not really, I’m hopeful semi automatic will speed things up and be generally better than previous - to early to judge though.
As for leeway, if everyone’s crying over millimetre offside decisions then I’m happy if they introduced a bit more leeway- not to fussed either way. Just don’t favour a return to Lino’s flagging incorrectly all the time like before.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
And completely independent form the TV broadcasters. They should however have access to the raw feed from all the cameras, not just the VAR ones so that they aren't reliant on what the Sky/TNT carefully select for them from the control room. There should also be absolutely ZERO link to the loudmouth pundits in the studio or on comm's. Yet again today we had GNIAC screaming 'HANDBALL', which I guarantee was was piped into Stockley Park.
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Why do you think they would risk their whole integrity, to break one of the fundamental specifications that there will be no outside interference in the VAR booth, just so they can hear what Gary Neville has to say for himself?

Seems to be maximum risk for very little reward.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Er not really, I’m hopeful semi automatic will speed things up and be generally better than previous - to early to judge though.
As for leeway, if everyone’s crying over millimetre offside decisions then I’m happy if they introduced a bit more leeway- not to fussed either way. Just don’t favour a return to Lino’s flagging incorrectly all the time like before.
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Hate to quote you word for word but, hey ho, here we go:

Good news.

The Premier League are set to introduce semi-automated offside technology in less than two weeks' time.

The technology will come into play on Saturday, April 12 and be introduced in the weekend's round of top flight fixtures.
 
Cassandra said:
The logic of that is that essentially yellow cards are reviewable. VAR tells the referee to check for red and the ref looks at it and decides that it isn’t even worth a yellow, I’m sure referees could agree a code word that says don’t think even yellow but telling you to check for red.
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I suppose that could happen in theory. But for an incident where the VAR feels so strongly about a yellow card being too harsh, is he really going to make himself look like he’s totally lost the plot by pretending he thinks it’s worth a red?
 
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