VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Cumbie Blue said:
It will never happen as they'll be gone from the PGMOL list next season but I would love a ref to be called to the screen for one of these look at it and just say in the mike "Why are you questioning my decision here?"

Stand up and back themselves, their experience, judgement and skill to make a decision in real time. Just say "yes everything can look bad in super slowmo and still frame but its a contact sport and coming togethers are going to happen. My call, nothing wrong with it let me do the job I'm professionally trained for."

My gaffers micro manage me like this, review and analyse every decision I make on a minute by minute basis and I'm looking elsewhere, toxic culture.

Cricket: Umpires call
Rugby: On field decision

They stand unless it is certain a "infringement" has happened, time the PL backed the person in black the same.
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we will never get umpires call and on field decision due to not hearing the conversation. Its too easy for them to hide behind radio silence.
 
Allnightlong said:
we will never get umpires call and on field decision due to not hearing the conversation. Its too easy for them to hide behind radio silence.
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Was a good point on the angle they elect to show the ref, unlike rugby they don't seem to have the option to request all angles available to get the full story and as another posted they get spoonfed the narrative from Stockley Park.

Only a matter of time before fans start gathering there during games to boo them into the car park at full time :-)
 
What gets me is, if that is a penalty and that is the threshold, where is the analysis for the umpteen other incidents like it every game? The grappling at corners? The "got the ball first" challenges? The "coming together" incidents? We already have players intentionally going to ground and initiating the contact with their own movement, how does this help?

Should be like driver fault in road collisions. Which vehicle's manoeuvre caused the crash? Who had right of way? Who is claiming whiplash from a close miss?

No consistency. Make the rules, tell everyone what the required level of contact is (with guideline videos, hey this is the age of technology after all!) , and then... Drum roll..... Apply it consistently! Oh, and tell us in real time what is going on.
 
city saint said:
Just watching the match on tv after going last night. Neville keeps saying he was clever. No Gary he’s cheating with a dive after slowing down so there would be contact. Why don’t pundits call it out for what it is. They all moan about diving but never come out and say it when it’s in plain sight. And the var has blatantly cheated in my opinion as they shouldn’t be going against the ref in that situation. Against palace marmoush was pulled back but we were told not enough to overturn the decision so what’s the difference unless it’s cheating
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As I keep saying when people say VAR has cut out diving. It hasn't, it's just made the attackers more "clever" and even, these days, made any contact, no matter how slight and accidental, a penalty. So what are players going to do? Fall over after any contact at all, of course.

Unless it's at a corner or a free kick, though, in which case wrestling is OK.
 
halfcenturyup said:
As I keep saying when people say VAR has cut out diving. It hasn't, it's just made the attackers more "clever" and even, these days, made any contact, no matter how slight and accidental, a penalty. So what are players going to do? Fall over after any contact at all, of course.

Unless it's at a corner or a free kick, though, in which case wrestling is OK.
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Remember when it stopped the wrestling at corners & in the box. All they had to do was maintain that standard & errrr Haaland breaks records, premier league has their Micheal Jordan, bloods & crips start wearing City caps….

Wonder why they stopped.
 
Cumbie Blue said:
It will never happen as they'll be gone from the PGMOL list next season but I would love a ref to be called to the screen for one of these look at it and just say in the mike "Why are you questioning my decision here?"

Stand up and back themselves, their experience, judgement and skill to make a decision in real time. Just say "yes everything can look bad in super slowmo and still frame but its a contact sport and coming togethers are going to happen. My call, nothing wrong with it let me do the job I'm professionally trained for."

My gaffers micro manage me like this, review and analyse every decision I make on a minute by minute basis and I'm looking elsewhere, toxic culture.

Cricket: Umpires call
Rugby: On field decision

They stand unless it is certain a "infringement" has happened, time the PL backed the person in black the same.
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I can only recall one ref being called to the screen and still sticking with his original decision - Chris Kavanagh. I think it was the first season of VAR but can’t remember the game.
 
Blue Mist said:
That doesn't mean it was a correct call, that's a weird take.
Pawson saw the incident and clearly told the player to get up.

There was no clear and obvious mistake.

Var by the rules set out could not intervene, but it did.
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I wasn’t commenting on the right or wrong of the decision. I was replying to a person who was suggesting that it wouldn’t have been given at the other end. And indirectly to several other posters who seem to think that the whole purpose of VAR, is to do City over.

It was just an observation, that it’s strange it’s taken them 34 games to find one to go against us, if that was the case.
 
city saint said:
And while I’m at it. Is contact always a foul because it seems they have different rules at corners
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This was Dale Johnson, the VAR "guru", a while ago:

"What happened: A cross was played into the area in the 87th minute, with the ball eventually dropping between Matthijs de Ligt and Danny Ings. Both players moved toward it, with the West Ham striker going down holding his shin. Referee David Coote didn't see any foul, so play continued, but it was looked at by the VAR, Michael Oliver.

VAR decision: Penalty, scored by Jarrod Bowen.

VAR review: Whether it was right or wrong comes down to how VAR is applied in the Premier League and what we've come to expect from the video assistant.

In European competition, where pretty much any unexpected lower-body contact appears to result in a penalty, it would come as no shock to see the VAR get involved. In the Premier League, not so much.

There are some grounds here for a foul, because while both players do go into the challenge in a similar way, there is slightly more force from De Ligt. But that doesn't mean there's enough in it for the VAR to get involved. It's more a collision between two players, from which Ings comes off worse.

The Premier League has been determined to get the term "referee's call" into the lexicon this season, and this would be a perfect example. If Coote gave the penalty, you could see a reason. But it doesn't reach the clear and obvious threshold in English football to send the referee to the monitor.

Bowen's penalty led to a 2-1 defeat for Man United, with Erik ten Hag sacked on Monday morning as a result. It was the second time in a month that the beleaguered boss had suffered from a refereeing error .....

Verdict: Incorrect VAR intervention".

And this, from the same weekend strangely enough:

What happened: Arsenal were on the attack in the 31st minute when Gabriel Martinelli tried to break past [Trent Alexander-Arnold and Ibrahima Konaté. The Arsenal forward went to ground, but referee Taylor waved away the penalty claims.

VAR decision: No penalty.

VAR review: It looked a clumsy situation, as two Liverpool players challenged Martinelli at the same time.

However, Konate got contact on the ball first, knocking it away with his leg, just below his knee. There's then natural contact between the two players after the ball has been played. There's no foul contact by Alexander-Arnold.

Had Konaté gone through Martinelli to play the ball, that would have been grounds for a VAR intervention. However, much like the overturned penalty for Liverpool against Chelsea last weekend, the defending player played the ball first and didn't make the challenge in a reckless way.

Verdict: Correct decision not to award a penalty".

It really is all bullshit. And before anyone says this guy is just a journalist with his opinions, bear this in mind: "Some factual parts of this article include information provided by the Premier League and PGMOL". He is relaying the official viewpoint, nothing else.
 
halfcenturyup said:
This was Dale Johnson, the VAR "guru", a while ago:

"What happened: A cross was played into the area in the 87th minute, with the ball eventually dropping between Matthijs de Ligt and Danny Ings. Both players moved toward it, with the West Ham striker going down holding his shin. Referee David Coote didn't see any foul, so play continued, but it was looked at by the VAR, Michael Oliver.

VAR decision: Penalty, scored by Jarrod Bowen.

VAR review: Whether it was right or wrong comes down to how VAR is applied in the Premier League and what we've come to expect from the video assistant.

In European competition, where pretty much any unexpected lower-body contact appears to result in a penalty, it would come as no shock to see the VAR get involved. In the Premier League, not so much.

There are some grounds here for a foul, because while both players do go into the challenge in a similar way, there is slightly more force from De Ligt. But that doesn't mean there's enough in it for the VAR to get involved. It's more a collision between two players, from which Ings comes off worse.

The Premier League has been determined to get the term "referee's call" into the lexicon this season, and this would be a perfect example. If Coote gave the penalty, you could see a reason. But it doesn't reach the clear and obvious threshold in English football to send the referee to the monitor.

Bowen's penalty led to a 2-1 defeat for Man United, with Erik ten Hag sacked on Monday morning as a result. It was the second time in a month that the beleaguered boss had suffered from a refereeing error .....

Verdict: Incorrect VAR intervention".

And this, from the same weekend strangely enough:

What happened: Arsenal were on the attack in the 31st minute when Gabriel Martinelli tried to break past [Trent Alexander-Arnold and Ibrahima Konaté. The Arsenal forward went to ground, but referee Taylor waved away the penalty claims.

VAR decision: No penalty.

VAR review: It looked a clumsy situation, as two Liverpool players challenged Martinelli at the same time.

However, Konate got contact on the ball first, knocking it away with his leg, just below his knee. There's then natural contact between the two players after the ball has been played. There's no foul contact by Alexander-Arnold.

Had Konaté gone through Martinelli to play the ball, that would have been grounds for a VAR intervention. However, much like the overturned penalty for Liverpool against Chelsea last weekend, the defending player played the ball first and didn't make the challenge in a reckless way.

Verdict: Correct decision not to award a penalty".

It really is all bullshit. And before anyone says this guy is just a journalist with his opinions, bear this in mind: "Some factual parts of this article include information provided by the Premier League and PGMOL". He is relaying the official viewpoint, nothing else.
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so, you're/they're saying that they make it us as they go along?
 
And here it is again.
The rags are losing and need help.
Step forward Var to re-referee the game and get an opposition player sent off.

Get rid of this corrupt system.

I couldn't even be arsed mentioning City's non penalty today, it is a waste of time.
 
Blue Mist said:
And here it is again.
The rags are losing and need help.
Step forward Var to re-referee the game and get an opposition player sent off.

Get rid of this corrupt system.

I couldn't even be arsed mentioning City's non penalty today, it is a waste of time.
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We can't get rid of it because then people would be arguing every weekend over referee's decisions. Oh, wait a minute ....

And it cut out diving. Oh, wait a minute ....

And SAOT is now 100% accurate. Or is it?
 
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