VAR Discussion Thread

Taylor and var knew exactly what should have happened but there was no way on earth they was gonna send the **** off after 11 minutes and ruin a world wide spectacle
Especially for the paying overseas rags
 
That Bournemouth pen tonight is bollocks. Minimal contact, falls to the floor. Ref books him.

Why are VAR getting involved? Its not clear and obvious. Is it just me? Spitty and Henry thought it was.
 
danielwood5 said:
This is one of the two biggest issues with VAR and how it's run, particularly in this country. If they can't admit that a mistake was made how are we expected to think that the system is going to get any better?
This issue goes back to the Spurs Champions League game, we all saw on TV the definitive tv angle that showed the incident clearly yet this footage wasn't shown to the referee on the monitor. The next day the statement from UEFA was a vague claim that all camera angles were available to the referee. The statement cleared absolutely nothing up, did the VAR assistant decide not to show that footage to the referee? Did the broadcaster not give that particular angle to the VAR team to view and decide whether to show the referee or not? If all the angles were available then who made the decision not to show that foitage on the pitchside monitor? Nobody oitside of the refereeing team knows. If they can't say that there was a mistake or an issue with the process how can they fix it?
This behaviour then carried on into the next season, playing Spurs again and Rodri was dragged to the ground by the neck from behind when trying to jump to head the ball from a corner and VAR said no penalty. The statement from PGMOL said that "he went down too easily", remember that this was during the same season when if someone slightly brushed against Salah, Mane or Firmino then it was an instant penalty as "there's contact so he's entitled to go down". Again, a fairly obvious error but instead of admitting it was a mistake they told us not to believe our own eyes, again if they can't admit there's been a mistake how can they rectify the issue to make sure it doesn't happen again?
This lack of recognition of errors means they keep happening over and over and over again and is what's lead us to this clown show where Howard Webb just rolls out any old excuse that pops into his head for all the inexplicable decisions that keep happening week after week.
We're at the stage now that with Howard Webb in charge of the system, and with his on-field refereeing performances still relatively fresh in the mind, that makes it feel more and more like these aren't the bugs in a new system that need ironing out but more a way of keeping games interesting for the neutral and to get results that the pundits in the studuo would prefer. The blatant ignoring of the rules in the FA Cup Final for the entertainment purposes of the viewers at home being the most obvious example over the last few years.
To me this means that we'll always be on the end of one-sided refereeing until this is sorted out. If we're playing a 'smaller' team then the neutrals at home prefer the underdog to win as we saw in the FA Cup final so decisiinsnare made with them in mind eather than the laws of the game. If we're playing United, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc then they have millions of fans worldwide as well as in the TV studios and in the press who would prefer them to win so that means more pressure on the referee from the TV companies, from the press, etc.
It's only human nature. In a 50-50 decision in a Liverpool game, who is the referee going to favour, the team that gets either negative or very little press or the team that whenever they get a decision against them whinge constantly with their fans and ex-players in the press joining the pile-on, complaining about how hard done to they are and about how the referee spoiled the game and about what a terrible decision it was, even if it's objectively the correct decision? It goes Liverpool's way 8 times out of 10 giving them, along with Arsenal and United, a measurable advantage on the pitch.
We've seen this over and over again when broadcasters and newspapers fixate on one decision (let's have a vote on whether Dias should have been sent off have your say on this in the comments on the three articles we've written about it) and others are brushed away almost instantly to be instantly forgotten about (next day Arsenal defender avoids a clear as day second yellow and barely a mention in the press).
This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is very much 'clear and obvious' to anyone that reads anything football related online or listens to pundits before and after a match. and to think that referees aren't influenced by this is naive in the extreme.
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Top post mate.
Couldn't agree more.
Going back to Spurs champions league 1st leg down there, was that when, if I'm not mistaken Aguero has penalty saved yet replays show a Spurs player (Dier i think) encroaching in the area as penalty is took.
It is saved and Dier clears the rebound away to safety. No intervention from VAR for a retake.
Then the farcical drawn line to stop Coventry from reaching a fairytale FA Cup final at the expense of the Rags, which could never be allowed to happen whilst the officials now have the tools to manipulate
 
danielwood5 said:
This is one of the two biggest issues with VAR and how it's run, particularly in this country. If they can't admit that a mistake was made how are we expected to think that the system is going to get any better?
This issue goes back to the Spurs Champions League game, we all saw on TV the definitive tv angle that showed the incident clearly yet this footage wasn't shown to the referee on the monitor. The next day the statement from UEFA was a vague claim that all camera angles were available to the referee. The statement cleared absolutely nothing up, did the VAR assistant decide not to show that footage to the referee? Did the broadcaster not give that particular angle to the VAR team to view and decide whether to show the referee or not? If all the angles were available then who made the decision not to show that foitage on the pitchside monitor? Nobody oitside of the refereeing team knows. If they can't say that there was a mistake or an issue with the process how can they fix it?
This behaviour then carried on into the next season, playing Spurs again and Rodri was dragged to the ground by the neck from behind when trying to jump to head the ball from a corner and VAR said no penalty. The statement from PGMOL said that "he went down too easily", remember that this was during the same season when if someone slightly brushed against Salah, Mane or Firmino then it was an instant penalty as "there's contact so he's entitled to go down". Again, a fairly obvious error but instead of admitting it was a mistake they told us not to believe our own eyes, again if they can't admit there's been a mistake how can they rectify the issue to make sure it doesn't happen again?
This lack of recognition of errors means they keep happening over and over and over again and is what's lead us to this clown show where Howard Webb just rolls out any old excuse that pops into his head for all the inexplicable decisions that keep happening week after week.
We're at the stage now that with Howard Webb in charge of the system, and with his on-field refereeing performances still relatively fresh in the mind, that makes it feel more and more like these aren't the bugs in a new system that need ironing out but more a way of keeping games interesting for the neutral and to get results that the pundits in the studuo would prefer. The blatant ignoring of the rules in the FA Cup Final for the entertainment purposes of the viewers at home being the most obvious example over the last few years.
To me this means that we'll always be on the end of one-sided refereeing until this is sorted out. If we're playing a 'smaller' team then the neutrals at home prefer the underdog to win as we saw in the FA Cup final so decisiinsnare made with them in mind eather than the laws of the game. If we're playing United, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc then they have millions of fans worldwide as well as in the TV studios and in the press who would prefer them to win so that means more pressure on the referee from the TV companies, from the press, etc.
It's only human nature. In a 50-50 decision in a Liverpool game, who is the referee going to favour, the team that gets either negative or very little press or the team that whenever they get a decision against them whinge constantly with their fans and ex-players in the press joining the pile-on, complaining about how hard done to they are and about how the referee spoiled the game and about what a terrible decision it was, even if it's objectively the correct decision? It goes Liverpool's way 8 times out of 10 giving them, along with Arsenal and United, a measurable advantage on the pitch.
We've seen this over and over again when broadcasters and newspapers fixate on one decision (let's have a vote on whether Dias should have been sent off have your say on this in the comments on the three articles we've written about it) and others are brushed away almost instantly to be instantly forgotten about (next day Arsenal defender avoids a clear as day second yellow and barely a mention in the press).
This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is very much 'clear and obvious' to anyone that reads anything football related online or listens to pundits before and after a match. and to think that referees aren't influenced by this is naive in the extreme.
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Absolutely this.
 
roach3 said:
Taylor and var knew exactly what should have happened but there was no way on earth they was gonna send the **** off after 11 minutes and ruin a world wide spectacle
Especially for the paying overseas rags
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I’m sure they would have been more accommodating if it had been Khusanov on Fernandes, it would’ve been a straight red before he hit the deck.
 
roach3 said:
Taylor and var knew exactly what should have happened but there was no way on earth they was gonna send the **** off after 11 minutes and ruin a world wide spectacle
Especially for the paying overseas rags
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And we can guess the outcome had the roles been reversed. Protecting and promoting the product for the financial benefit of certain Clubs.
 
Innsbruckblue said:
Wouldn’t it be great if the clubs themselves just refused to play until VAR is scrapped?
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That might be the best idea I've heard yet. If not the clubs, just the players would be enough. Ideally you would need 2 clubs who are playing each other, both teams show up ready to play, but demand VAR not be used. If they agree not to use VAR, then the match starts. If not, then the players walk off, or stay on the pitch but refuse to play. This would make the officials who might not want to play without VAR be the ones holding up the match. And the fans would boo them for delaying the start. In this scene, not only wouldn't VAR be used but the VAR monitor on the sideline must be carted off the pitch and into the bowels of the stadium. Once the pitch is free of VAR items, the match will start starting with a forward kickoff or there will be a free kick to the other side. That is what happens to start a football match my friends, which we have not seen for quite some time now have we. Ideally the players and the clubs would be on the same page and would want to see this, for all the right reasons. If the fans were refusing to show up for a match, ideally an unscheduled match or a match which isn't part of a season ticket package, and the fans show up outside the stadium and refuse to pay unless it is announced that VAR won't be used. Either of these would be the kind of domino needed to start the process of scrapping VAR. If you don't have paying fans, or players playing, or (even better) if the club as a whole agrees with the players and the fans that VAR needs to go, then you could do it with everyone on the same page. But one way or another, there are ways to force action, thus far nothing's really been done to take a real stand and demand the return of early to mid 2010 standards. That day might be closer and closer every day. Best to bin it as soon as feasible.
 
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I notice the VAR defenders seem to be somewhat reluctant to get involved in this thread now. I’d be interested to know whether they’ve had a change in heart?
 
Interesting that Webb and PiGMOL claimed that when shown at normal speed, Dalot's tackle seemed fine and they don't like using super slow motion, as it gives the wrong impression; but Bournemouth's penalty was given after super slow motion suggested there might have been minimal contact on the player.

Make your minds up you fucking cheating cunts, you're not fooling us!
 
If it isn't clear on VAR within one minute it isn't given - OFFSIDE.
Offside only relates to the position of the feet. If there is no gap between the feet of the two players (the feet cover each other) then it is not offside.
If a goal is scored, it is given, unless there is a clear and obvious foul in the build up, able to be decided within one minute.
Violent play - automatic replay of incident available to the referee from the moment of the foul.
 
Innsbruckblue said:
Wouldn’t it be great if the clubs themselves just refused to play until VAR is scrapped?
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If they'd wanted to scrap it they wouldn't have to do anything so radical. They could have just voted against it when they had the chance not so long ago. But they voted 19-1 to keep it. And even the 1 admitted that they didn't really want to scrap it. They just wanted to start a debate on how hard done by they'd been.
 
Stephen230 said:
If they'd wanted to scrap it they wouldn't have to do anything so radical. They could have just voted against it when they had the chance not so long ago. But they voted 19-1 to keep it. And even the 1 admitted that they didn't really want to scrap it. They just wanted to start a debate on how hard done by they'd been.
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Be even better if we insisted on it as part of the mediations on softening the blow of the failed Pl 115 accusations
 
Help if you can ...i cant t think of a single VAR desision that went for us where i thought well thats definitely not right we got away with that.
As opposed to a good 8/10 certs that went against us

More than happy for my memory to be corrected.
(Rodri handball at Everton didnt go to VAR but probably should have )
 
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