VAR impact and consequence log - game 15

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  1. flook

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    Thought it might be useful to keep these together under one thread, as it appears VAR may have a significant impact this season

    running total 4 points down

    Manchester City v

    WHU (A) - Sterling goal ruled out for marginal offside - result 5-0 win - no consequence


    Spurs (H) - Jesus goal ruled out for slightest touch on Laporte arm, Laporte arm being tugged at the time
    Lamela foul on Rodri - no penalty after review, ref decision stands - result 2-2 - consequence -2 points


    Bournemouth (A) possible penalty for foul on David Silva (at 7.30) no penalty after review, ref decision stands - result 3-1 win - no consequence


    Brighton (h) nothing to see here, except 2 fantastic team goals and a stunning Sergio strike. No VAR incidents - result 4-0 win


    Norwich (a) again no impact from VAR, shocking performance (Aguero excepted) and 3 points dropped - result 3-2 defeat


    Watford (h) 4 games in a row VAR has been quiet, one of the best performances I've seen from any team - result 8-0 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUoAl-M_8Kg

    Everton (a) All quiet on the VAR front, some debate on the matchday thread about a pre-offside for the Everton goal but it was in a phase about 3 removed from the goal so wouldn't have been VAR checked - tough game result 3-1 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AibzCe9VmQ4

    Wolves (h) No need for VAR to be deployed today, we were woeful, result 2-0 defeat (don't watch the highlights without a stiff drink)

    Crystal Palace (a) VAR finally raises it's increasingly ugly head as Kev is assaulted by Wilf of the dodgy hair, referee not interested, nor is VAR, 60 million other people in the UK see a clear penalty. Doesn't affect the result 2-0 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCwVTiNW82E

    Aston Villa (h) A good game for VAR in my opinion, 4 calls, 4 correct decisions. Performance of the referee in non-VAR decisions however is a diffferent story, with Jack Ghoulish being very fortunate to last the game, and Fern being unfortunate, and a bit silly). Result 3-0 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFurQICL2Ig

    Southampton (h) A few handball shouts (mainly from the stands) which may or may not have been reviewed by VAR, commentary was strangely silent, but non were really penalties. Horrible game of anti-football by Southampton. Result 2-1 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lmXk6g1ito

    Liverpool (a) Well VAR burst on to the scene like a whirlwind in this one, or was it with a whisper? What many had predicted came to pass as a pretty nailed on penalty shout when the ball hit Arnolds extended arm was turned down (for at least 3 different reasons according to the various explanations from referees and ex referees I've read since), and with City players committing the cardinal sin of not playing to the whistle, a quick break upfield, a shockingly bad clearance from Gundog, and a terrific strike from Fabinho, and we were one down. Shortly after a still reeling City were hit again as Salah nodded in from a Mane cross. I've read on here that it was a potential offside which was rejected almost immediately by VAR, however in the words of the commentator on the City official site replay "no controversy there". A third for Mane shortly into the second half was against the run of play, was followed by a goal for Bernado. Another appeal for handball against Arnold from a Stirling shot was turned down, this one less clear than the first as it was from close range and hit at pace. Finally a push on Stirling laid claim to a thrid possible penalty. Having now seen the highlight (thanks Rolee) I think it was a foul.

    It's difficult to determine whether these decisions cost us the game. Certainly the first Liverpool goal should not have stood, and we should instead have had a penalty. Of course our recent record is poor, and there is also the issue that the ball hit Bernados hand before the penalty shout, which could be interpreted as leading to a goal had we scored the penalty. Bizarre situation created by ridiculously over complicated handball rules. So lets say 0-0 at that point.

    Add in the second penalty for the push on Raz, and assume we score this time

    On that basis, and acknowledging the second goal was probably influenced by the fact we lost focus/concentration as a result of the shenanigans around the first, we were probably good for a desmond. The reality of the situation is that we created enough chances to at least get a draw, but poor finishing or poor final ball let us down as much as bad/bent officials. Result 3-1 defeat

    https://www.mancity.com/citytv/matc...l-man-city-premier-league-extended-highlights

    Chelsea (h) Fuck VAR Fuck VAR Fuck VAR. Thought this was a great game of football, Chelsea started like a train and were deservedly 1 up, couple of quick goals and we're cruising, looked like a foul on Sergio in the box, not given, however on replay the decision was correct, another close call when Sergio was bundled over on the edge of the box, replay showed not a penalty but should have been a free kick, then Raz springs through and a fine finish. And that's when it all goes tits up again. Pages 32 -38 (as I type) cover the general view, but in summary another ridiculous forensic examination to inflict an offside decision, and one which bears scrutiny with the Salah one. Ultimately didn't affect the result so the running total of points lost doesn't change, but the sourest of sour tastes is left when it should have been a sweet victory. Result 2-1 win

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_g70-IsqM0

    Newcastle (a) VAR not troubled but we as City fans most definitely were. Lead twice, but for moments both times, KDB thunderbolt a potential goal of the season, but more points lost Result 2-2 draw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkeLtxeuSOs&t=2s

    Burnley (a) VAR again not troubled, and apparently neither was John Moss troubled by the reckless challenges on Silva and Kev. A return to form was long overdue, and after a hesitant start a powerful midfield duly obliged. Result 4-1 win

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FNwVnEd7J8
     
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  2. ChicagoBlue

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    The Sterling offside against WHU is a +1 GD missing. Don’t ever dismiss goal difference...it wins Championships!!!
     
  3. flook

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    that's a fair point, but one I'm going to ignore :)
     
  4. Saddleworth2

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    Useful thread mate. Why are you only showing that go against is though. Stirling’s second against WH was also extremely marginal and should be included for balance.
     
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  5. flook

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    I'm applying the "clear and obvious error" principle, marginal shouldnt rule a goal out
     
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    ^^ This ^^

    And keep the thread going if/when we move into “credit”. Otherwise it’s yet another agenda thread.
     
  7. Saddleworth2

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    I think that ‘guidance’ went for a burton a while ago mate. Does it even apply to a goal check?
     
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    But that one would probably have been ruled out without VAR.
     
  9. Saddleworth2

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    For sure it would.
     
  10. flook

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    Indeed, although I'm struggling to keep a straight face at the thought of it going into credit :)

    I'm aware, but as brexit, we were sold VAR on one set of principles, with the reality being different, so I'm sticking to the principle we were sold

    Again, marginal decision so principle is should not be affected by VAR. It wasn't flagged offside (and I'm aware of the keep the flag down instruction, but this has been largely ignored in both games this season) and therefore counts
     

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