VAR impact and consequence log - game 22

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  1. flook

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    Thought it might be useful to keep these together under one thread, as it appears VAR may have a significant impact this season

    running total 6 points down

    Manchester City v

    WHU (A) - Sterling goal ruled out for marginal offside - result 5-0 win - no consequence


    Spurs (H) - Jesus goal ruled out for slightest touch on Laporte arm, Laporte arm being tugged at the time
    Lamela foul on Rodri - no penalty after review, ref decision stands - result 2-2 - consequence -2 points


    Bournemouth (A) possible penalty for foul on David Silva (at 7.30) no penalty after review, ref decision stands - result 3-1 win - no consequence


    Brighton (h) nothing to see here, except 2 fantastic team goals and a stunning Sergio strike. No VAR incidents - result 4-0 win


    Norwich (a) again no impact from VAR, shocking performance (Aguero excepted) and 3 points dropped - result 3-2 defeat


    Watford (h) 4 games in a row VAR has been quiet, one of the best performances I've seen from any team - result 8-0 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUoAl-M_8Kg

    Everton (a) All quiet on the VAR front, some debate on the matchday thread about a pre-offside for the Everton goal but it was in a phase about 3 removed from the goal so wouldn't have been VAR checked - tough game result 3-1 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AibzCe9VmQ4

    Wolves (h) No need for VAR to be deployed today, we were woeful, result 2-0 defeat (don't watch the highlights without a stiff drink)

    Crystal Palace (a) VAR finally raises it's increasingly ugly head as Kev is assaulted by Wilf of the dodgy hair, referee not interested, nor is VAR, 60 million other people in the UK see a clear penalty. Doesn't affect the result 2-0 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCwVTiNW82E

    Aston Villa (h) A good game for VAR in my opinion, 4 calls, 4 correct decisions. Performance of the referee in non-VAR decisions however is a diffferent story, with Jack Ghoulish being very fortunate to last the game, and Fern being unfortunate, and a bit silly). Result 3-0 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFurQICL2Ig

    Southampton (h) A few handball shouts (mainly from the stands) which may or may not have been reviewed by VAR, commentary was strangely silent, but non were really penalties. Horrible game of anti-football by Southampton. Result 2-1 win
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lmXk6g1ito

    Liverpool (a) Well VAR burst on to the scene like a whirlwind in this one, or was it with a whisper? What many had predicted came to pass as a pretty nailed on penalty shout when the ball hit Arnolds extended arm was turned down (for at least 3 different reasons according to the various explanations from referees and ex referees I've read since), and with City players committing the cardinal sin of not playing to the whistle, a quick break upfield, a shockingly bad clearance from Gundog, and a terrific strike from Fabinho, and we were one down. Shortly after a still reeling City were hit again as Salah nodded in from a Mane cross. I've read on here that it was a potential offside which was rejected almost immediately by VAR, however in the words of the commentator on the City official site replay "no controversy there". A third for Mane shortly into the second half was against the run of play, was followed by a goal for Bernado. Another appeal for handball against Arnold from a Stirling shot was turned down, this one less clear than the first as it was from close range and hit at pace. Finally a push on Stirling laid claim to a thrid possible penalty. Having now seen the highlight (thanks Rolee) I think it was a foul.

    It's difficult to determine whether these decisions cost us the game. Certainly the first Liverpool goal should not have stood, and we should instead have had a penalty. Of course our recent record is poor, and there is also the issue that the ball hit Bernados hand before the penalty shout, which could be interpreted as leading to a goal had we scored the penalty. Bizarre situation created by ridiculously over complicated handball rules. So lets say 0-0 at that point.

    Add in the second penalty for the push on Raz, and assume we score this time

    On that basis, and acknowledging the second goal was probably influenced by the fact we lost focus/concentration as a result of the shenanigans around the first, we were probably good for a desmond. The reality of the situation is that we created enough chances to at least get a draw, but poor finishing or poor final ball let us down as much as bad/bent officials. Result 3-1 defeat

    https://www.mancity.com/citytv/matc...l-man-city-premier-league-extended-highlights

    Chelsea (h) Fuck VAR Fuck VAR Fuck VAR. Thought this was a great game of football, Chelsea started like a train and were deservedly 1 up, couple of quick goals and we're cruising, looked like a foul on Sergio in the box, not given, however on replay the decision was correct, another close call when Sergio was bundled over on the edge of the box, replay showed not a penalty but should have been a free kick, then Raz springs through and a fine finish. And that's when it all goes tits up again. Pages 32 -38 (as I type) cover the general view, but in summary another ridiculous forensic examination to inflict an offside decision, and one which bears scrutiny with the Salah one. Ultimately didn't affect the result so the running total of points lost doesn't change, but the sourest of sour tastes is left when it should have been a sweet victory. Result 2-1 win

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_g70-IsqM0

    Newcastle (a) VAR not troubled but we as City fans most definitely were. Lead twice, but for moments both times, KDB thunderbolt a potential goal of the season, but more points lost Result 2-2 draw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkeLtxeuSOs&t=2s

    Burnley (a) VAR again not troubled, and apparently neither was John Moss troubled by the reckless challenges on Silva and Kev. A return to form was long overdue, and after a hesitant start a powerful midfield duly obliged. Result 4-1 win

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FNwVnEd7J8

    United (h) lots of VAR able incidents, we benefitted from none, however of the ones I picked up (and there's no way I'm watching this again)

    Handball shout mctominay 3 minutes, not given, correct decision
    Handball shout against lindelhoff 13 minutes not given, ricochet onto arm, accidental, probably correct decision
    Penalty shout on rashford, not given and overturned by VAR correct call, but no more contact than we’ve had not overturned on more than one occasion this season
    Handball shout against fred on half time, not given and not overturned, ball hit arm stopping the cross, wrong decision. This was a penalty for any other team (except Leicester obviously)
    Handball shout against shaw, arm tucked in not given, undecided about this, his arm was tucked in, but he definitely moved it towards the ball, tight but I think penalty

    2 possible pens then, you'd assume we'd score 1? so 2 points lost. This is a bit disingenuous however as we deserved nothing from this game. Result 2-1 defeat

    Arsenal (a) quiet day for VAR as we scored 3 exquisite goals in a very very good first half. Result 3-0 win

    Leicester (h) We got a penalty, ref gave it, VAR studied it, Raz went for an oscar nomination for it about 5 minutes after he was fouled, and we still got it. other than that, no impact, result 3-1 win

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vaObBKIcyM

    Wolves (a) 10 minutes in defence goes to sleep, clash of heads results in Wolves getting the ball, was this because of the new uncontested drop ball rule? Long punt upfield and Jota through on goal, ederson comes out no hope of getting to it, Jota pops the ball over his head and basically runs into eddie. Red card for Eddie and upheld by VAR, correct decision (probably) only doubt is that Jota made no effort to avoid eddie, but why should he?

    15 minutes later and mahrez goes down as though sniped from the crowd. No pen given and initial thought is he’s lucky to avoid a booking for a dive. VAR check and replays on tv show his foot was stamped on, penalty given by VAR, again correct decision.

    Up steps Raz and hits a weak penalty to keepers right, easily saved and cleared by wolves pet dipper Coady. VAR check and Coady encroached so retake.

    Carbon copy of the first pen and Raz misses again, but this time ball drops nicely and he pops in the rebound.

    Multiple dives by Jota(?) at the start of second half checked by VAR and not given. No card for the diving twunt tho. Some controversy over Wolves third as Mendy (what the fuck was he doing herding the ball out for a wolves corner???) was bumped off the ball by Traore, who then crossed for the goal. Really not much in it but the other way around.......

    3 significant VAR interventions and all correct, result 3-2 defeat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXwru3AspFc

    Sheff Utd (h) Well VAR steps up again and works in our favour. 30 minutes in, Aguero wrestled off the ball and no foul given, quick break by Sheffield and the balls in the net. For once we get a close VAR decision in our favour and goal disallowed for a very close offside

    Shortly after VAR check for a Sheffield penalty not given

    Kev slips Sergio in after referee tackles Sheffield midfielder, ref allows play to continue and Sergio does what he does best. Controversial, I’d be fuming if it happened to us, but correct to the rules as the ball didn't touch the referee

    Possible handball as sheff defender kicks ball onto his own arm, not even checked by VAR as far as I could tell. Result 2-0 win

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UHPAAzJVX4

    Everton (h) 12 minutes in Foden finishes off a fine move, VAR overturns the goal as Mahrez who provided the pass to Cancelo to cross was offside. This was a clear and obvious offside and VAR worked exactly as it should do. However the reasoning contradicts what Dermot Gallagher IAC said when asked why VVD handball wasn't looked at for the Dippers goal v Wolves, so another example of inconsistent application of the rules in the use of the technology

    Minutes later, Mahrez flagged offside incorrectly, VAR checks for foul on Mahrez for penalty, but Mahrez may have handled it, no one knows what the fuck is going on and I pour another glass of red. Game restarts with a Everton FK for offside, the only thing that didn't happen

    Big shout for foul on Foden in the everton box, waved away by mariner, looked clear cut at full speed but the replay shows the defender nicked the ball off his toe….maybe. Result 2-1 win

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0WqZka6M_I

    Aston Villa (a) Rampant and back to our best, 2 records for Aguero, VAR fairly quiet. Jesus bitch slapped in the Villa area, went down as though he'd been sniped, no review as far as I could tell, would have been angry had it been given against us though so no complaints, then a Villa lad, don't remember and frankly don't care either, went down like HE'd been sniped (dangerous in the midlands this time of year), with what I thought was a clear dive, but VAR correctly ruled that Gundog had carelessly/Lazily/Stupidly (delete depending on your own view) tripped him, and with the last kick of the game a clean sheet was lost. Bet Eddie was delighted. Result 6-1 win

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jImPYdYptvw
     
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  2. ChicagoBlue

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    The Sterling offside against WHU is a +1 GD missing. Don’t ever dismiss goal difference...it wins Championships!!!
     
  3. flook

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    that's a fair point, but one I'm going to ignore :)
     
  4. Saddleworth2

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    Useful thread mate. Why are you only showing that go against is though. Stirling’s second against WH was also extremely marginal and should be included for balance.
     
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  5. flook

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    I'm applying the "clear and obvious error" principle, marginal shouldnt rule a goal out
     
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    ^^ This ^^

    And keep the thread going if/when we move into “credit”. Otherwise it’s yet another agenda thread.
     
  7. Saddleworth2

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    I think that ‘guidance’ went for a burton a while ago mate. Does it even apply to a goal check?
     
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    But that one would probably have been ruled out without VAR.
     
  9. Saddleworth2

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    For sure it would.
     
  10. flook

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    Indeed, although I'm struggling to keep a straight face at the thought of it going into credit :)

    I'm aware, but as brexit, we were sold VAR on one set of principles, with the reality being different, so I'm sticking to the principle we were sold

    Again, marginal decision so principle is should not be affected by VAR. It wasn't flagged offside (and I'm aware of the keep the flag down instruction, but this has been largely ignored in both games this season) and therefore counts
     

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