VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[MillionMilesAway]

My understanding is that the only thing that stops play while the ball is on the field is the ref's whistle. The flag by itself doesn't do anything.

Running on half the pitch and shooting might get someone booked.
Being ten yards out and shooting probably shouldn't get a booking, even if the whistle goes.

Every PL goal will be checked for offside, flag or no flag. Only if the whistle goes before the ball has crossed the line is the ball dead, and can't be overturned.

 

[deano ou812]

Whole programme on this on sky at the moment on that debate show ..

 

[cleavers]

Interesting debate on Sky just now between Neil Swarbrick and Charlie Nicholas about how its being implemented in the PL, seems the media pundits etc were invited to the VAR "shack" to be shown. Nicholas who said he was very sceptical about it all, says he's changed his mind, Swarbrick has said some good things.

I've turned it off now, as they used as an example how Kompany should have been sent off v Liverpool (and of course that would have won them the league), so they can f*ck off, it'll be used against us, unless we hear everything discussed.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

On offside, wondering if anyone can clear this up. On Sunday, we rightly got flagged a couple of times when Jesus and Ilkay (i think) were a touch ahead. Flag went up and the game stopped. Are we not supposed to play on now and then check? Given that players typically stop if they spot the flag, should the linesperson not keep the flag down now unless it's blatant?

The flag will stay down until that phase of play is finished, i.e. He shoots/passes back/checks back.

The flag only stays down on a tight call, that the linesman deems is offside, if a goal is scored. If the player shoots and misses/it's saved, the offside flag them goes up.

 

[deano ou812]

Interesting debate on Sky just now between Neil Swarbrick and Charlie Nicholas about how its being implemented in the PL, seems the media pundits etc were invited to the VAR "shack" to be shown. Nicholas who said he was very sceptical about it all, says he's changed his mind, Swarbrick has said some good things.

I've turned it off now, as they used as an example how Kompany should have been sent off v Liverpool (and of course that would have won them the league), so they can f*ck off, it'll be used against us, unless we hear everything discussed.

Hehe just showed a clip rags v Swansea Rashford dives keeper had pulled his arms away the ref was swarbrick,pen given he then says” if I’d had var no pen and Rashford booked for simulation”,yeah right ...

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Interesting debate on Sky just now between Neil Swarbrick and Charlie Nicholas about how its being implemented in the PL, seems the media pundits etc were invited to the VAR "shack" to be shown. Nicholas who said he was very sceptical about it all, says he's changed his mind, Swarbrick has said some good things.

I've turned it off now, as they used as an example how Kompany should have been sent off v Liverpool (and of course that would have won them the league), so they can f*ck off, it'll be used against us, unless we hear everything discussed.

They didn't say VK should have been sent off. Basically, they said that VAR would have backed whatever decision the referee made as there is an argument for yellow or red to have been given.

 

[cleavers]

They didn't say VK should have been sent off. Basically, they said that VAR would have backed whatever decision the referee made as there is an argument for yellow or red to have been given.

I agree, but my moan was that it was shown at all, they could have used numerous dives and offsides by "A N other" club that were wrong, but that was the one they picked.

Until we hear the dialogue at the stadium (and on TV obviously), we fans will have no idea why a decision is given (or not), and if you don't think we'll be shafted as and when they can, the fair enough, but we will, you can bank on it.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I agree, but my moan was that it was shown at all, they could have used numerous dives and offsides by "A N other" club that were wrong, but that was the one they picked.

Until we hear the dialogue at the stadium (and on TV obviously), we fans will have no idea why a decision is given (or not), and if you don't think we'll be shafted as and when they can, the fair enough, but we will, you can bank on it.

The dives are pretty clear cut though. I saw VK's challenge as a good example of a borderline decision that can be argued either way.

I didn't think into was a red and was glad to see that VAR wouldn't have overturned it.

I was a massive fan of the concept of VAR, but become less so as it has evolved. The women's WC became a farce at times with its over zealous usage.

If VAR is used as described in that debate show, I think it could be a positive. That being said, however, I'm still sceptical that it won't be overused.

 

[deano ou812]

The dives are pretty clear cut though. I saw VK's challenge as a good example of a borderline decision that can be argued either way.

I didn't think into was a red and was glad to see that VAR wouldn't have overturned it.

I was a massive fan of the concept of VAR, but become less so as it has evolved. The women's WC became a farce at times with its over zealous usage.

If VAR is used as described in that debate show, I think it could be a positive. That being said, however, I'm still sceptical that it won't be overused.

It is a good thing in principle,but still open to manipulation,didn’t like it when they talked about ref on pitch has final say over decisions,yet a few minutes later went on about keeping the game going not stop start,and if var ref can assist ref and AVOID using tv monitor all the time then it’s only a good thing,so otherwise pick and chose which incidents to review on pitchside monitor...

 

[northwichblue]

They'll still screw us.
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