VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Dzeko's header in the QPR game would have been disallowed under VAR: there was a clear infringement 44 minutes earlier when Kiddo turned on the cappuccino machine slightly too soon, thus burning the beans. Had Mancini been given the option of reviewing this we'd have restarted the 2nd half slightly earlier, thus everything that followed would have been rendered irrelevant.

Whatever you say, Donald.

 

[deano ou812]

When you have imbeciles in charge of VAR it hasn’t got a chance.

Or cnuts who deliberately don’t won’t it to work,as it means certain teams can’t get favourable decisions...

 

[mat]

He knows you know...

Or cnuts who deliberately don’t won’t it to work,as it means certain teams can’t get favourable decisions...

Indeed.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Meanwhile actual sports such as rugby and american football have took it in their stride and you'll not hear fans complain about it.

To be fair, I've heard plenty of rugby fans complain about its overuse in rugby and the officials' overreliance on it for even the most obvious calls. I hope that's something we steer away from in football, but it seems to be the natural progression in most sports.

 

[Dubai Blue]

No, that was because the ball wasn't placed correctly in the corner arc - it wasn't even close either. Pretty daft thing to do by the player.

Thanks. That makes a lot more sense now.

 

[born2bblu]

I've watched City for forty four years. I've seen us on the end of some shocking decisions. I've seen us benefit from shocking decisions. I'll take that over this nonsense.
And VAR wouldn't make one iota of a difference to players being fouled. Not one.
You think VAR's good; I think it's rubbish. We'll see.

I totally agree with you. This s..t will kill the beautiful game as we knew it. Some people don’t realize that as long as it is run by humans, who are still incompetent or corrupt, it will not do much to change the current problems, apart from killing the momentum and the flow of the game.

 

[jayfx]

Personally I'm not completely sure where I sit on this. I was utterly against VAR to begin with but it seems like the standard of reffing has really gone down hill in last couple of years.
However, one of the problems with refs at the moment is them bottling decisions. I think because of their lack of balls, they will be more and more likely to rely on VAR for every decision.
Before we go down the VAR route I'd prefer it if the refs had to face the media and explain decisions. Maybe if they couldn't hide after a game they'd be more likely to make the right call.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Got to agree with him.. Far too many decisions so far with VAR have been an absolute joke. So much so you have to question the refereeing ability of the VAR official and whether they actually want it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

If you were relegated because of mistakes, you'd think otherwise.

But I guess you believe "it all evens out"

Funny how it hasn't taken any emotion out of it for other sports fanbases, if anything it builds the tension.

I'm sick of being screwed out of goals and penalties over the years and seeing blatant match fixing and ineptitude.

If VAR fixes it, bring it on. Just mic the refs so we can hear them talk shite and eliminate the secrecy.

Sadly it won't fix it. It could fix it - but the refs will make sure it won't.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I've watched City for forty four years. I've seen us on the end of some shocking decisions. I've seen us benefit from shocking decisions. I'll take that over this nonsense.
And VAR wouldn't make one iota of a difference to players being fouled. Not one.
You think VAR's good; I think it's rubbish. We'll see.

I agree. So far for every bad decision it's reversed, it's made at least 2 clear errors and approved 2 clear errors. 4:1 is not a goid ratio.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I agree. So far for every bad decision it's reversed, it's made at least 2 clear errors and approved 2 clear errors. 4:1 is not a goid ratio.

no, it hasn't.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Dzeko's header in the QPR game would have been disallowed under VAR: there was a clear infringement 44 minutes earlier when Kiddo turned on the cappuccino machine slightly too soon, thus burning the beans. Had Mancini been given the option of reviewing this we'd have restarted the 2nd half slightly earlier, thus everything that followed would have been rendered irrelevant.

It’s ok joking about it but, Dzeko’s header would have been disallowed under VAR! Watch VK as that corner comes over and tell me that the VAR, whose job quite quickly seems to have morphed into “find a reason to disallow a goal”, would not have ruled it out for the foul. Rags would have won the title, we’d have blown the biggest chance we would have had and who knows where things would be now? If the Mata goal should be ruled out, we will struggle to score against Arsenal, as many of ours against them are ‘very marginal offsides’.

 

[dickie davies]

Nope, that's what would and will happen. EVERY goal will have an element of doubt. No celebrating wildly, everyone will be thinking, "Was there a foul in the build up? Could it be disallowed for some misdemeanor that occurred eons ago?" It's a fucking nonsense. The game we've watched and loved will be ruined. Wagner, who was on the receiving end of a positive decision, utterly nails it:

http://www.football365.com/news/huddersfield-boss-wagner-emotion-is-killed-by-var

If that's true, then it's just daft. There's no point in allowing that corner to happen if the VAR knows any goal will have to be disallowed.

thats rubbish,the game is played as per normal and goals and red cards/dives in the box/penalty claims get looked at,if the ref has cocked up it gets put right,the stoppages will be few and far between despite what the doom mongers say,it just needs to bed in and the refs to be confident with it,it's brand new

I'm confused what bit is rubbish. So you're saying the commentator was wrong and that any goal scored from an incorrectly awarded corner would be allowed to stand?

VAR is only supposed to be used where there's a clear case of a refereeing error or the officials have missed something blatent
The Huddersfield rag match the VAR official was wrong twice

Huddersfield should have been awarded a penalty for Smalling's handball. It was piss funny listening to Graham Poll trying to defend why the penalty wasn't awarded.
Mata's goal should have stood as that was not a clear mistake. If he was offside it was by a knee which is not a clear error

They've overcome this in cricket by siding with the umpire's on field decision in the case of it being marginal and that's how it should be in football

 

[Dubai Blue]

After the match Poll said the "clear and obvious" thing doesn't apply to offside. The goal is automatically reviewed and if it's offside then it's disallowed, no matter how close it is.

 

[Gordyola]

Should have stopped at goal line tech which works well because its not subjective and is an instant decision. Always had reservations about VAR for the very reasons its is currently being criticised. If its to work then the VAR needs to become VR and a decision must be reached within seconds, the ref at the ground is then informed of the VR decision, only if it over rules him.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Should have stopped at goal line tech which works well because its not subjective and is an instant decision. Always had reservations about VAR for the very reasons its is currently being criticised. If its to work then the VAR needs to become VR and a decision must be reached within seconds, the ref at the ground is then informed of the VR decision, only if it over rules him.

well how long before we could, in theory, have drones that replace linesmen?

 

[Cr00k13]

well how long before we could, in theory, have drones that replace linesmen?

Was thinking the same but more along the lines of 2 high speed cameras running on rails (rabbit on a greyhound track style) down the touch lines.

Just needs a program that can monitor fouls offsides and last touch for throw ins/ corners.

 

[Gordyola]

well how long before we could, in theory, have drones that replace linesmen?

With machine learning very much on the horizon then not too long

 

[stonerblue]

VAR is only supposed to be used where there's a clear case of a refereeing error or the officials have missed something blatent
The Huddersfield rag match the VAR official was wrong twice

Huddersfield should have been awarded a penalty for Smalling's handball. It was piss funny listening to Graham Poll trying to defend why the penalty wasn't awarded.
Mata's goal should have stood as that was not a clear mistake. If he was offside it was by a knee which is not a clear error

They've overcome this in cricket by siding with the umpire's on field decision in the case of it being marginal and that's how it should be in football

Or alternatively, just leave it to the ref and fuck var off.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Or alternatively, just leave it to the ref and fuck var off.

Yes, because the constant incorrect decisions the refs make, the constant allegations that the refs cheat and the overall abuse to the ref is working really well. Fuck giving them any help whilst 22 players are constantly play acting, cheating and diving whilst 40,000 fans are appealing for every decision.

Let’s just leave it to the ref.