VAR (PL introduction 2019)

I was all for Var but each time its been used in our games its been used to screw us over. It was shown how it will be used in the Chelsea/Utd cup match where 2 nailed on penalties were reviewed by Alti Taylor and not given. Yesterday was equally a joke.
Last night Real beat Levante 2-1 with both goals controversially awarded penalties by Var. Levante had 2 penalty appeals turned down, neither being sent to Var to review.
Its just another tool in the hands of cheats and will be used to protect some teams and screw over others
 
Parisian said:
I saw the image they showed for Aguero goal and i think it is a short offside. I have seen goals like that being overturned for PSG with VAR in France because of some millimeters.
What matters for offside is not the foot but any part of the body that can be used to score a goal (i.e everything but hands and arms).

However, there is a big problem not with VAR but with the referees that are using (or should i say manipulating) that technology. For example, if they want to give a penalty kick to some team, they can easily do so by searching for the weakest contact possible. Madrid got a penalty today for a very light contact, if there is any. In the same vein, they can overturn a goal like the one between Ajax and Real. I think it was the right call in this instance.
A contrario, for similar offences, they will not give the penalty kick against another team because they can argue it was not a clear and blatant error from referee. I have seen it first hand with PSG. It is quite ridiculous. Same with red cards offences, VAR is supposed to help with that regards but the referees are doing as they please.
I suspect referees to be too proud to admit they could be wrong and they act like oblige to VAR is a dent in their authority. As such, they can go great lenghts and refuse correct VAR calls just for the sake of it. The week after Lyon committed another red card offence against PSG. The referee didn't give a red because it was very late in the game (like 88 min) which is a stupid reason. The worst thing is VAR should have called to correct him but they didn't.

Essentially, VAR is a good tool but put in the hands of idiot, incompetent, bent refs, it produces biased, inconsistent results.
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Exactly. With the majority of football's laws being down to the referee's opinion/interpretation, VAR just gives them a second attempt at manipulating the result. The technology itself seems okay, but I don't trust these bandits to utilize it subjectively and I never will. It's already blatantly clear how it is being misused.

Why are they even looking into the tiniest minutiae of every incident anyway? That goes against the very reason it was apparently introduced (i.e., to correct obvious errors where a striker is a yard offside or scores with his hand). If 20 super slow-mo replays are needed to come to a decision, then the VAR should just be staying out of it because there's clearly nothing blatantly wrong with the original decision.

They introduced it in completely the wrong way, making it far too wide reaching right from the start, when the sensible approach would have been to phase it in over a longer period (i.e., one season of just looking at offsides and then gradually expanding its scope once all the inconsistencies had been ironed out).

A challenge system like tennis/cricket is the only possible way of saving this farce in its current guise.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Since when has 'clear & obvious error' come into it ?
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This is my thought to, I thought it was about getting the big decisions right, they obviously didn’t get Sergio’s goal right and surely that’s a big decision
That’s all we heard from Walton on BT Sport about Schalkes penalties “the right decision was reached”
 
They are supposed to favour the attacker in tight decisions and that was a tight decision, from some angles it looked on. Far from ensuring fairness I think the opposite is the case.
 
paulchapo said:
They are supposed to favour the attacker in tight decisions and that was a tight decision, from some angles it looked on. Far from ensuring fairness I think the opposite is the case.
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It depends on which team it is,if that was a Chelsea player who scored it would have been given absolutely nailed on ...
 
deano ou812 said:
It depends on which team it is,if that was a Chelsea player who scored it would have been given absolutely nailed on ...
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I agree. It should only be used for fairly contentious issues, when you are talking a hand or a foot, which Aguero's was tighter than that, just give the goal.
 
Dubai Blue said:
Exactly. With the majority of football's laws being down to the referee's opinion/interpretation, VAR just gives them a second attempt at manipulating the result. The technology itself seems okay, but I don't trust these bandits to utilize it subjectively and I never will. It's already blatantly clear how it is being misused.

Why are they even looking into the tiniest minutiae of every incident anyway? That goes against the very reason it was apparently introduced (i.e., to correct obvious errors where a striker is a yard offside or scores with his hand). If 20 super slow-mo replays are needed to come to a decision, then the VAR should just be staying out of it because there's clearly nothing blatantly wrong with the original decision.

They introduced it in completely the wrong way, making it far too wide reaching right from the start, when the sensible approach would have been to phase it in over a longer period (i.e., one season of just looking at offsides and then gradually expanding its scope once all the inconsistencies had been ironed out).

A challenge system like tennis/cricket is the only possible way of saving this farce in its current guise.
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Bit like FFP, introduced with ‘good’ intentions then sudden realisation can be used to fulfill a different objective
 
I think the point of VAR is to determine if the decision on the pitch can be overruled due to definitive error. AS the Lino flagged for offside against Aguero, the only way it can be overruled is if there is no possibility of Aguero being offside. This was clearly in the realm of "On-Field Decision" in cricket terms.
Which is worrying because the Lino flagging if he is unsure is more difficult to overturn than a Lino who only flags if he is definitely offside.
Basically the way VAR is currently set up allow games to be fixed more easily.
 
again VAR will be used by the officials for hand ball and any sort of handball ??? it is now open to the officials in a video room in slow motion to pin point ball to hand and even if you can not get out of the way its a foul ????

this is just daft and wrong and god help defending when a player crosses the ball and your hands are not behind you back ?????

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47429316

Goals scored or created with the use of an accidental handball will not stand from next season onwards, the International FA Board (Ifab) have confirmed.
The changes mean that a free-kick will be awarded when a goal or clear chance occurs from a handball. Ifab technical director David Elleray explained the changes at their AGM in Aberdeen. "Deliberate handball remains an offence," Elleray stressed.

"In the past we've managed to improve the laws by focusing on outcome rather than intent. "What we are looking at particularly in attacking situations is where the player gets a clear unfair advantage by gaining possession or control of the ball, as a result of it making contact with their hand or arm."

So what has changed?
The changes mean gaining control or possession and then scoring as a consequence of handling the ball will not be allowed - neither will a goal scored directly from handling the ball, regardless of intent.

Another change to the laws of the game means that if the player's arms extend beyond a "natural silhouette", handball will be given, even if it is perceived as accidental.
Elleray says this is an effort to put an end to defenders placing their arms behind their backs in fear of giving away a free-kick.
"We've changed it to say the body has a certain silhouette," said Elleray. "If the arms are extended beyond that silhouette then the body is being made unnaturally bigger, with the purpose of it being a bigger barrier to the opponent or the ball.

"Players should be allowed to have their arms by their side because it's their natural silhouette."
In other changes approved by Ifab, substitutes will have to leave the pitch at the nearest goalline or touchline instead of walking to their technical area in a bid to stop time wasting.

Additional approved law changes included measures to deal with attacking players causing problems in the defensive wall, giving a dropped ball in certain situations when the ball hits the referee and the goalkeeper only being required to have one foot on the line at a penalty kick.
 
just had a thought about tv football next season with VAR ???? motd and sky super sunday or live games are going to need more of a time slot just to review VAR mistakes

what the game needs is VAR to be shown in stadiums on the big screens to show fans what going on, its daft just having tv showing it at home that watch replays by VAR ??, match going fans also need to be looking at whats happened and i think it could be quicker viewing it all together and then both players and fans can see whats what

for me VAR will not work ??? hope am wrong because it can be a very good thing in the right hands and rules, but sadly already FIFA and uefa have made a big mistake already with the new hand ball rules ??? and now they have to keep giving pens or handball for something you just can not control when its ball to hand
 
kippaxking79 said:
I can see why we were big advocates for it in the premier league as opposed to Liverpool whom were against it.

Looking back on tonight I think it's a bad idea from our point of view. Like others have said - we have had loads of clear cut decisions go against us in the past, but after tonight it's the decisions that they can "manipulate" to go against US (in oppositions favour) that scares me. It will be used as an extra tool to fuck us over IMO.
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Think we were silly enough to think that it would be used in a fair and consistent manner.
 
ancoats said:
just had a thought about tv football next season with VAR ???? motd and sky super sunday or live games are going to need more of a time slot just to review VAR mistakes

what the game needs is VAR to be shown in stadiums on the big screens to show fans what going on, its daft just having tv showing it at home that watch replays by VAR ??, match going fans also need to be looking at whats happened and i think it could be quicker viewing it all together and then both players and fans can see whats what

for me VAR will not work ??? hope am wrong because it can be a very good thing in the right hands and rules, but sadly already FIFA and uefa have made a big mistake already with the new hand ball rules ??? and now they have to keep giving pens or handball for something you just can not control when its ball to hand
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Wall to Wall Peter Walton.

Were so fucking lucky....
 
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