VAR thread 2022/23

[GaudinoMotors]

Why would anyone walk away and let this calculated attempt to bolster other team's and potentially hinder us, win?
I'll say one thing for VAR and Pigmol, they ensure we have to play even better and in compliance. At the moment we are usually too good for them, but there will be the odd occasion we're not.

 

[Blue Mist]

If I get to that point, I’d walk away.

Do you find enjoyment in City wins, or do you linger on the “corrupt” things that happen ”against us”?

I enjoy going to the pub and seeing mates I would not see otherwise. I have met some great London Blues for instance. I then go to the match and enjoy watching Pep and the lads beating the opposition and the three (4) stooges and then I go back to the pub to discuss how good we were.
Having seen all the relegations inc. the dipper and Luton ones, I am not going to walk away now but, var and its shithousery, the way it ruins the moment, everything, means I am three steps closer than even Stuart Pearce could manage.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I enjoy going to the pub and seeing mates I would not see otherwise. I have met some great London Blues for instance. I then go to the match and enjoy watching Pep and the lads beating the opposition and the three (4) stooges and then I go back to the pub to discuss how good we were.
Having seen all the relegations inc. the dipper and Luton ones, I am not going to walk away now but, var and its shithousery, the way it ruins the moment, everything, means I am three steps closer than even Stuart Pearce could manage.

Fair enough. Sounds like you’d be out with your mates and the football is the “excuse”.

 

[Blue Mist]

Fair enough. Sounds like you’d be out with your mates and the football is the “excuse”.

No as I said, it is to meet others. The lads I go to the match with, I see on a Friday night anyway.
I did home and aways, reserves and youth teams when we were down with the dead men, i wrote stuff for a fanzine and did a mini version for a supporters club (hence my user name) City is in my blood, football isn't. I couldn't tell you who Chelseas forwards are. I have no interest if Son Yung Min is spelt correctly, is a forward, midfielder or a jehovahs witness (I know he plays for Spurs)
Var, Sky, stupid kick off times, money-greed, sanitisation all are killing the game and turning it into a themed day out.

 

[deano ou812]

Call it corruption or cheating or whatever,but there is certainly a bias or favouritism towards certain teams,now with VAR it’s easier to award or turn a blind eye on decisions,until we can 100% hear what is being said between refs and the VAR officials on incidents,then there will always be that doubt in people’s minds ..

 

[Blue Mist]

Call it corruption or cheating or whatever,but there is certainly a bias or favouritism towards certain teams,now with VAR it’s easier to award or turn a blind eye on decisions,until we can 100% hear what is being said between refs and the VAR officials on incidents,then there will always be that doubt in people’s minds ..

Add to that until they explain why a decision was/ wasn't made.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No as I said, it is to meet others. The lads I go to the match with, I see on a Friday night anyway.
I did home and aways, reserves and youth teams when we were down with the dead men, i wrote stuff for a fanzine and did a mini version for a supporters club (hence my user name) City is in my blood, football isn't. I couldn't tell you who Chelseas forwards are. I have no interest if Son Yung Min is spelt correctly, is a forward, midfielder or a jehovahs witness (I know he plays for Spurs)
Var, Sky, stupid kick off times, money-greed, sanitisation all are killing the game and turning it into a themed day out.

Seems strange that you know about VAR issues in non-City games then if thats all you watch.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Why would anyone walk away and let this calculated attempt to bolster other team's and potentially hinder us, win?
I'll say one thing for VAR and Pigmol, they ensure we have to play even better and in compliance. At the moment we are usually too good for them, but there will be the odd occasion we're not.

Wasn’t football meant to be corrupt before VAR ?
Refs a cheat, fergie time etc etc ?

 

[Blue Mist]

Seems strange that you know about VAR issues in non-City games then if thats all you watch.

I come on BM and in here for a start. Its hardly ignored by other City fans. We do talk football in the pub so we do talk about corrupt/crap decisions. I didn't say I spent my entire day in a darkened room ignoring the entire world.
I'm not sure why you find it so hard to understand. You said if people thought it was corrupt why didn't they walk away, I answered you.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Possible misinterpretation?
Carragher said that as the onfield ref is going to the monitor, the VAR is explaining why it should be overturned, and he didn't think it was a good thing to happen.

should be read as

Carragher said that as the onfield ref is going to the monitor, the VAR is explaining why it should be overturned, and he (CARRAGHER) didn't think it was a good thing to happen (i.e. the explanation of why VAR thought it was wrong).

Ahhh, I'll pay that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I come on BM and in here for a start. Its hardly ignored by other City fans. We do talk football in the pub so we do talk about corrupt/crap decisions. I didn't say I spent my entire day in a darkened room ignoring the entire world.
I'm not sure why you find it so hard to understand. You said if people thought it was corrupt why didn't they walk away, I answered you.

So you have no interest in any game that City aren’t playing, yet you come on here and chat passionately about the games you don’t watch?

Imagine how you could debate if you did watch the other games and have better context!

 

[BlueHammer85]

Call it corruption or cheating or whatever,but there is certainly a bias or favouritism towards certain teams,now with VAR it’s easier to award or turn a blind eye on decisions,until we can 100% hear what is being said between refs and the VAR officials on incidents,then there will always be that doubt in people’s minds ..

hasn't corruption and favoritism always favored Liverpool and Man Utd only long before VAR, for some unknown reason, just them two ?

it doesn't make any sense to bring in technology for every decision for the world to see when they can get rid of tech and just flag and blow up for anything they want

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

hasn't corruption and favoritism always favored Liverpool and Man Utd only long before VAR, for some unknown reason, just them two ?

it doesn't make any sense to bring in technology for every decision for the world to see when they can get rid of tech and just flag and blow up for anything they want

I know you are a big lover of VAR but it simply isn't doing the job it was brought in to do in the PL. There are still dodgy offsides either given or not, there are still dodgy penalties either given or not and still the game refuses to allow the audience to hear the conversations as they do in cricket, rugby etc. It's so far from being transparent it's ridiculous. Three contentious decisions in the rags game and all went their way. It beggars belief that the penalty wasn't given. Even if you accept the ref had a bad view (why didn't the liner help out) VAR had all the angles and it was a clear and obvious error not to award the penalty. Both the VAR and ref should be made to go on some retraining course and they should release the transcripts as to how they made that decision as it wasn't logical. So it's either corrupt, they are shit officials or both.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I know you are a big lover of VAR but it simply isn't doing the job it was brought in to do in the PL. There are still dodgy offsides either given or not, there are still dodgy penalties either given or not and still the game refuses to allow the audience to hear the conversations as they do in cricket, rugby etc. It's so far from being transparent it's ridiculous. Three contentious decisions in the rags game and all went their way. It beggars belief that the penalty wasn't given. Even if you accept the ref had a bad view (why didn't the liner help out) VAR had all the angles and it was a clear and obvious error not to award the penalty. Both the VAR and ref should be made to go on some retraining course and they should release the transcripts as to how they made that decision as it wasn't logical. So it's either corrupt, they are shit officials or both.

I'm not a lover of VAR, I just think it's the way forward for football

as without VAR you can clearly see the refs/lino's are clueless left to themselves

lower leagues without VAR are calling it for it - why if it's such a shambles ?

the technology is improving each season - https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...d-uefa-super-cup-champions-league-2022-08-03/

more transparency is being introduced - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...tch-conversations-referees-VAR-officials.html

and that is what i've been saying all along - they will constantly look at ways to improve the system

we didn't have that option when it's just a ref/lino guessing at decisions

- there will never be a perfect system, and yes even with VAR there's is still controversy and they get it wrong - which is infuriating, but it's still the right way to go

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I'm not a lover of VAR, I just think it's the way forward for football

as without VAR you can clearly see the refs/lino's are clueless left to themselves

lower leagues without VAR are calling it for it - why if it's such a shambles ?

the technology is improving each season - https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...d-uefa-super-cup-champions-league-2022-08-03/

more transparency is being introduced - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...tch-conversations-referees-VAR-officials.html

and that is what i've been saying all along - they will constantly look at ways to improve the system

we didn't have that option when it's just a ref/lino guessing at decisions

- there will never be a perfect system, and yes even with VAR there's is still controversy and they get it wrong - which is infuriating, but it's still the right way to go

VAR if implemented correctly is the way forward. This is now the fourth season we have had it in the PL and it's still a shambles and that's the issue. The technology for offsides still isn't good enough to correctly judge whether a player is offside by an inch yet that is what is happening. Why wasn't that penalty awarded for Brighton? Everyone in the ground could see it was a penalty in real time but even allowing for the ref to be momentarily blinded by the sun what was the liner and VAR seeing that nobody else could. Look at De Gea's reaction, he knew it was a penalty the moment it happened. That none decision cannot be put down to inferior technology, it's either a shit number of officials, the game is bent or both. Why aren't the media making more of how shit VAR is, why isn't Potter jumping up and down demanding answers like Lampard did last season, why is the carpet getting bigger and bigger?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

VAR if implemented correctly is the way forward. This is now the fourth season we have had it in the PL and it's still a shambles and that's the issue. The technology for offsides still isn't good enough to correctly judge whether a player is offside by an inch yet that is what is happening. Why wasn't that penalty awarded for Brighton? Everyone in the ground could see it was a penalty in real time but even allowing for the ref to be momentarily blinded by the sun what was the liner and VAR seeing that nobody else could. Look at De Gea's reaction, he knew it was a penalty the moment it happened. That none decision cannot be put down to inferior technology, it's either a shit number of officials, the game is bent or both. Why aren't the media making more of how shit VAR is, why isn't Potter jumping up and down demanding answers like Lampard did last season, why is the carpet getting bigger and bigger?

It’s not a shambles. The problem is that there is subjectivity in decisions.

What one ref seems is enough for a foul isn’t the same as every other ref. Therefore, there will always be inconsistencies, whatever system is used.

 

[Kippax77]

I know you are a big lover of VAR but it simply isn't doing the job it was brought in to do in the PL. There are still dodgy offsides either given or not, there are still dodgy penalties either given or not and still the game refuses to allow the audience to hear the conversations as they do in cricket, rugby etc. It's so far from being transparent it's ridiculous. Three contentious decisions in the rags game and all went their way. It beggars belief that the penalty wasn't given. Even if you accept the ref had a bad view (why didn't the liner help out) VAR had all the angles and it was a clear and obvious error not to award the penalty. Both the VAR and ref should be made to go on some retraining course and they should release the transcripts as to how they made that decision as it wasn't logical. So it's either corrupt, they are shit officials or both.

It wasn't just any ref, this was Paul Tierney.
He's got form for being pro rags and dippers.
Laughed in Foden's face last year when he asked where the card was for Miller's assault on Bernie at Anfield.

He's very poor at disguising the agenda

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Handball laws as they currently stand:

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised

I think we can all agree that Ruben didn't move his arm towards the ball. I think we can all agree he didn't make his body unnaturally bigger so why was it a penalty?

I agree. But I also think if that was against us we would be up in arms so to speak.

The rules themselves are shit, it basically says any decision can be construed. And we all know the bias is against City, sometimes it goes out way like rodris Everton handball but on the whole the VAR team are more likely to be anti City fans, they're able to take decisions anominously, or just ignore stuff with impunity.

There's no hard and fast rule but I would like to see indirect free kicks (which always used to be a halfway house in penalty area fouls). Accidental handball would be a free kick rather than a game changing decision from an innocuous moment.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It’s not a shambles. The problem is that there is subjectivity in decisions.

What one ref seems is enough for a foul isn’t the same as every other ref. Therefore, there will always be inconsistencies, whatever system is used.

same for fans with every decision

Liverpool fans fume as 'foul' on Henderson missed in build-up to Fulham goal

Jordan Henderson was brought down before Aleksandar Mitrovic put Fulham ahead against Liverpool, but fans are convinced that the goal should have been disallowed

www.dailystar.co.uk

there will always be contentious issues.

 

[BlueHammer85]

but on the whole the VAR team are more likely to be anti City fans

genuine question, but why ?