VAR thread 2022/23

[SebastianBlue]

they can be as open and transparent as they want. It's not going to solve anything in my opinion.

bad decisions will still happen.

Of course there will always be mistakes, whether down to human or technological fault (or both).

The issue is the frequency and highly dubious nature of the “mistakes” happening now, several years in to the use of VAR. And the reluctance of the league and PGMOL to make reasonable changes to improve it (in fact, they have taken several steps to make it worse).

It would be fine if it were one or two questionable decisions a match round; that would just be part and parcel to regulating any endeavour.

But right now we have one or two questionable decisions a match, despite having a system that is meant to address the limitations of a single human arbitrating the game in real-time. Some of the decisions make absolutely no sense in the moment, much less in post mortem. Most are never fully explained and I imagine they won’t be.

The only thing they have done is to put together a carefully edited, highly controlled, narrative crafting show to allow them to legitimise this standard of officiating by only reviewing the less contentious decisions in detail and largely ignoring the glaringly wrong ones that happen over and over again.

The problem isn’t that mistakes are made. The problem is “mistakes” continue to be made in large numbers. And those mistakes have very real consequences to participants of the competition.

Brighton would likely be in 4th right now if not for the clear and obvious mistakes made in at least two of their matches, both against traditionally top six sides rivalling them for European places.

Leeds would likely not be facing relegation if not for numerous suspect officiating displays throughout the season, mostly against the cash cow clubs.

Wolves have famously been livid with PGMOL over high-profile mistakes in their matches that have cost them points.

And we can see very clearly in our matches how despite—and in some cases because of—VAR, we seem to be refereed differently to our opponents, which could at best be interpreted as an attempt to “balance out” our matches.

I have said this so many times that even I am getting sick reading it but I will type it once more:

A few dubious decisions can reasonably be interpreted as mistakes.

5 dubious decisions can reasonably be interpreted as incompetence.

10+ dubious decisions can reasonably be interpreted as corruption, as at a certain point, allowing the “mistakes” to continue is the same as intentionally making them.

 

[Bluearmy]

was always going to be that, the cameras they use are not good enough to get it spot on, which is fine but there needs to be a margin of error when drawing the lines to equate for this but there isn't.

the goal line tech is far superior but that still has a margin of error.

However we dont get decisions where players against the rags who were 3.3 meters onside, are given off anymore…. Its not perfect but the thought of going back to letting the corrupt twats have free reign to take the piss with no recourse is scary…

 

[SebastianBlue]

However we dont get decisions where players against the rags who were 3.3 meters onside, are given off anymore…. Its not perfect but the thought of going back to letting the corrupt twats have free reign to take the piss with no recourse is scary…

Yeah, gone are the days of rags being 3.3 meters offside but being given onside…

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

I wonder what the outcome would have been if it had been an outfield player on Haaland and not the goalkeeper.

No freekick or penalty. He has a City shirt on. Now.....Rashford or Salah, that's a different story.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

they can be as open and transparent as they want. It's not going to solve anything in my opinion.

bent decisions will still happen.

Amended

 

[madloaf]

Yeah, gone are the days of rags being 3.3 meters offside but being given onside…

Exactly. We're all over the moon those days are over.

 

[give it to gordon]

Exactly. We're all over the moon those days are over.

Has Webb explained this today ?

 

[madloaf]

Has Webb explained this today ?

The played the conversation between the on field ref and var.

"Go on Marcus..."
"GO ON MARCUS...."
"NO NO LEAVE IT, LEEEAAVVVEE IT!!!"
"BRUUUUUNOOOOOOOOO GET INNNNNNNN".

Seemed legit.

 

[give it to gordon]

The played the conversation between the on field ref and var.

"Go on Marcus..."
"GO ON MARCUS...."
"NO NO LEAVE IT, LEEEAAVVVEE IT!!!"
"BRUUUUUNOOOOOOOOO GET INNNNNNNN".

Seemed legit.

For a minute I thought you were joking

 

[pauls]

For a minute I thought you were joking

The irony is it might cost their other "darling" champions league football next season!

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Not watched one second of Webb’s propaganda tour, he’s only there to try and show supporters, many who are now openly questioning the honesty of the PL, that officiating within our game is all above board.

He‘s a paid hand on a PR drive to deflect from the absolute abject decision making that is manipulating the once beautiful game. Paid by the PL who are paid in-turn by the broadcasters, with the media and various hangers on gaining free clicks and revenue.

All about the ’entertainment’ and the ‘brand’, nobody wants to upset that.

 

[bluesince76]

Not watched one second of Webb’s propaganda tour, he’s only there to try and show supporters, many who are now openly questioning the honesty of the PL, that officiating within our game is all above board.

He‘s a paid hand on a PR drive to deflect from the absolute abject decision making that is manipulating the once beautiful game. Paid by the PL who are paid in-turn by the broadcasters, with the media and various hangers on gaining free clicks and revenue.

All about the ’entertainment’ and the ‘brand’, nobody wants to upset that.

Dead easy to resolve - just make all the audio for the remaining matches of the season available to the broadcasters live. With a title, CL, European and relegation places to the sorted, there's a lot riding on the games, so in everyone's benefit to know it's open and honest.

Or carry on going round with selected clips that mean nothing...

 

[Blue Mist]

However we dont get decisions where players against the rags who were 3.3 meters onside, are given off anymore…. Its not perfect but the thought of going back to letting the corrupt twats have free reign to take the piss with no recourse is scary…

How many metres offside was Sir Fish Fingers against us and how many metres did he run with the ball at his feet. Oh hang on, the lino gave offside so you are correct, no more corrupt twats, oh wait. I need to think this one through..... or you do.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Football Focus today had a section on the reffing of the Women's FA Cup final last weekend (about 30 minutes into the programme).

They had several examples of how the onfield team and the VAR team interacting on a few decisions - it seemed quite straightforward.

Not entirely sure about the onfield ref's words to complaining players though, but I can imagine it being much the same - decisions are going to get reviewed so hassling the ref is a bit pointless on most of them.

 

[jrb]

Well, there’s a surprise!



At the other end of the table, champions Manchester City and this season's surprise package Brighton were the teams most negatively affected by VAR as both had four more decisions go against them than for them.

 

[wolviedinho]

Well, there’s a surprise!

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At the other end of the table, champions Manchester City and this season's surprise package Brighton were the teams most negatively affected by VAR as both had four more decisions go against them than for them.

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I just seen that report. Fucking shafted again. Tried and failed again to stop the relentless city machine. Bent twats.

 

[SebastianBlue]

VAR only showed the least conclusive angles to Taylor for the Sevilla penalty decision he initially gave, so that the ref could have plausible deniability in overturning the penalty decision.

The angle from behind the challenge clearly shows contact on the Sevilla player’s shin and the Roma player’s leg buckled because of it.

VAR is is a farce.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

VAR only showed the least conclusive angles to Taylor for the Sevilla penalty decision he initially gave, so that the ref could have plausible deniability in overturning the penalty decision.

The angle from behind the challenge clearly shows contact on the Sevilla player’s shin and the Roma player’s leg buckled because of it.

VAR is is a farce.

Remember when it failed to show the Lorente handball which knocked us out, the ref just shrugged his shoulders as if to say ‘What are you showing me that I haven’t already seen’?

Two minutes later, BT show it in all its glory but too late by that point.

VAR, just another way to influence/manipulate games.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Remember when it failed to show the Lorente handball which knocked us out, the ref just shrugged his shoulders as if to say ‘What are you showing me that I haven’t already seen’?

Two minutes later, BT show it in all its glory but too late by that point.

VAR, just another way to influence/manipulate games.

Very much agree.

VAR apologists are the biggest shills in football.

 

[Bluemoon2393]

Well, there’s a surprise!

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At the other end of the table, champions Manchester City and this season's surprise package Brighton were the teams most negatively affected by VAR as both had four more decisions go against them than for them.

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And Klopp has the cheek to say Liverpool get robbed with bad decisions. I rest my case.